We have to look at furious reaction of 66% Pakistan and 9.25 crore people of Punjab whose favourite Chief Minister and Pakistan favourite leader is kicked out on orders and deal of SC with Zardari.
Incorrect again, I 've already told you that PML-N govt in Punjab does NOT mean 9.25 crore people's mandate, rather 4.2 crore Pakistanis which is around 25%.
They should then act like a political party not Unit Sector Incharge Politics
Some of my family members are in Karachi .they tell us how it is COMPULSORY on every house to have atleast 3 members to attend MQM procession otherwise ... !
I've family in different parts of Karachi and never heard of that. Which part of Karachi do your family members live in?
Thre are 60 70 lakh homes in Karachi.Certainly they cannot go to every house or at the palce or locality where your family do live presently.But my cousins are also from same city and tell us that.
PS : We call is Bhatta instead of Donations
where my family lives is irrellavent since if it's a common pratice all over the city then you do hear about it. Take your city for example, if something like this happens in your area or in other side of the city you will know; lets say PPP starts knocking on doors asking people to attend a rally condenming Rawalpindi incident, even if they somehow manage to control a media leak, you will hear about it from some1 you know or some1 living in that area.
Everyone knows they boycotted because they were in dire straits, and didnt have what it took to ‘win’ the elections. p.s. remember don farooq sattar in this elections narrowly won, infact he was one of those people who was feared to lose his seat along with shujaat, sherafghan etc until ‘nighttime’.
let me put it this way. In original post I am not talking about MQM’s participation in 1993 elections, I dun care when Farooq Sattar narrowly secured his seat or he almost lost it
I am talking about voters turnout and resluts of 1993 elections. MQM was nowhere in the scene and every political party in Karachi had an open field in front of them. But what happened then! how many voters they manage to mobolise! and what those who got elected in 1993 elections did for Karachi to winback voters in 1997 elections? IMO era between 1993-1997 was the best opportunity for mainstream parties to get rid of MQM from Karachi for good. and they could do so by DELIVERING and proving themselves. But that didn’t happen.
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Those that won the 1993 elections didnt just win in Karachi but no where else in the country buddy… They got like 20-25 seats if I recall properly which is still more than what the MQM managed in this election.
If you take away the guns, the ghundaz, the commandos and the bhatta, MQM is finished. Sadly, they lotafy and join anyone who forms the Govt in the center, and ensure their survival.
oh you dun need to rely on your memory. lemme post election results. just count yourself how many seats PPP & PML acquired in those elections and also check the turnouts.
In all this hoohoo haa haa, lets not forget the real point here. We like it or not MQM is a REALITY, and even when other parties were given a chance to get rid of MQM in a political manner, they failed miserably.
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I think you misunderstood me, you said those that ruled Karachi after the 90s failed to win the peoples hearts in the elections to come, I was just pointing out how they failed to win the hearts of EVERYONE and not just Karachi as evident by their pathetic election run in 1997, where they won like 20-25 seats! Im talking about the PPP here.
p.s. again, votes casted on badmaashi, bhatakhoori etc dont count. Like I said, the staunchest supporter of the MQM left on this BB said that his vost was cast automatically by the MQM. You should be criticizing such party. And dont worry, we’ll get rid of this terrorist party soon, if things go well.
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^ and that is what I am trying to explain here. For Karachites it’s different as it was never a PPP or PML city, BUT in 1993 they elected them. Back then it was their responsibility to cash that golden opportunity, or atleast try to win Karachi back. NOW Karachites don’t trust them for the very same reason, that in past they gave them a chance and given the 1st opportunity they shared bed with MQM.
The only thing Karachi witnessed back then was a police state, and encounters (Not of REAL MQM gangsters, but of those who refused to pay batha to new OWNERS) It was like “agai kunwan peechai khaaye” MQM(H) gundhai were killing for bhatta, and police was doing encounters for being suspected MQM(Altaf) worker
PS: 2: who is talking about other elections and turnout at gunpoint and bhataKhori there! lets focus on 1993 when there was no MQM pointing guns at Karachites and forcing them to cast votes in their favor, then why turn out was well bellow national average in THAT particular elections! MQM (H) was in bed with “ESTABLISHMENT” back then, and had all the fire power (being the real millitant wing of MQM in pre 1992 era); yet they also failed to mobolise people, EVEN at gunpoint!
The only thing Karachi witnessed back then was a police state, and encounters (Not of REAL MQM gangsters, but of those who refused to pay batha to new OWNERS) It was like "agai kunwan peechai khaaye" MQM(H) gundhai were killing for bhatta, and police was doing encounters for being suspected MQM(Altaf) worker
May be partly true, but many killed in "encounters" were MQM goons.
May be partly true, but many killed in "encounters" were MQM goons.
No doubt there were some goons killed during those "encounters" but we all know what happened once MQM came back. All those big names were back in city, refreshed and all set for further action.
You are expecting too much from the PPP. They messed up not just in Karachi but everywhere else, though that operation led by Babur was necessary and put an end to the Jinnahpur conspiracy, and the army also retaliated when one of their people were tortured on bhai’s orders. Major Kaleem or something?
MQM is always in bed with the ‘establishment’. Turnout will be low if people fear going to the polling stations. Again, we have their staunchest supporters here on this very forum saying his vote was automatically cast, what do you have to say about that?
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You are expecting too much from the PPP. They messed up not just in Karachi but everywhere else, though that operation led by Babur was necessary and put an end to the Jinnahpur conspiracy, and the army also retaliated when one of their people were tortured on bhai's orders. Major Kaleem or something?
why you are forgeting PML! afterall he pushed Karachi in hell in 1992 and PPP carried on with HIS legacy! In terms of bloodshed Karachi witnessed, 1992-1998 was the worst era, so no wonder if Karachites do not like BOTH parties, as one of them started it and 2nd did nothing to stop it.
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MQM is always in bed with the 'establishment'. Turnout will be low if people fear going to the polling stations. Again, we have their staunchest supporters here on this very forum saying his vote was automatically cast, what do you have to say about that?
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It is funny you brought this, infact it is not true at all! Major Kaleem case (thanks for mentioning that in above part) is the proof that MQM had their differences and at one point in history thought that it can take on with "establishment", result was 1992 operation. after that in 1998 MQM learnt the lesson and decided to go with establishment, therefore now you see them sharing power with every1.
I am not surprised about his vote being casted, and if you go in rural areas you will also find whole "on paper" villages.
why you are forgeting PML! afterall he pushed Karachi in hell in 1992
He??
PML has no ground in Sindh, you cant expect them to do anything there in the first place.
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and PPP carried on with HIS legacy! In terms of bloodshed Karachi witnessed, 1992-1998 was the worst era, so no wonder if Karachites do not like BOTH parties, as one of them started it and 2nd did nothing to stop it.
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Yet, you fail to blame the ones that are responsible the most, the MQM. That operation saved Karachi from becoming Jinnahpur.
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It is funny you brought this, infact it is not true at all! Major Kaleem case (thanks for mentioning that in above part) is the proof that MQM had their differences and at one point in history thought that it can take on with "establishment", result was 1992 operation. after that in 1998 MQM learnt the lesson and decided to go with establishment, therefore now you see them sharing power with every1.
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So are you saying the army is the establishment?? I disagree. MQM was very much 'part' of the establishment, created to counter the PPP, on ethnic lines. Again, its nothing more than an ethno-fascist political party. Also, they didnt ralize anything, they dissed this 'establishment' just recently and joined Zardari. Basically they are nothing more than lotaz.
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I am not surprised about his vote being casted, and if you go in rural areas you will also find whole "on paper" villages.
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Can you prove it? I mean the word of a proven MQM suppoter here on this forum claiming his vote was cast automatically in favor of the MQM without having to go cast it himself means alot doesnt it?
lets say it was true, then why BOTH major parties failed to ban MQM as anti state party? WHY Nawaz Sharief did not hang Altaf Hussain? (Don’t say coz he was sitting in London) if the claim is true then atleast he could have MQM banned for ever. I wish he had the guts to do that, since only because of their hunger of power we still see MQM around. Since he didn’t do it, this claim is just like hijaking case filed by Musharaf against Nawaz Sharief.
why don’t you ask this question to those who blame army generals for every bad deed in Pakistan! are we forgetting ISI’s role in Pakistani politics? and who controls ISI?
Isn’t that just a claim made on internet by some1 who CLAIMS that his vote was casted! IT doesn’t PROVE that his vote was ACTUALLY casted. can YOU PROVE it if he is telling the truth? He might be bragging about it. BUT I take his words. As for “GHOST VILLAGES” do a google search about PML & PPP candidates CLAIMING “GHOST VOTER LISTS” in various parts of the country in 1993, 1997 elections. It happens in every election there, cases are filed and if party wins the lossing candidate also looses the case. Although it never makes to mainstream ARTICLES.
What sacrifices it has given? If it has given, then it is the province which has been benefitted far more than anyother province in Pakistan.
If they did, thats because of their own hard work, and the MQM has zilch to do with anything, infact they've just added disrepute to Pakistan's name if anything.
because they didnt participate:rotfl:
just count yourself how many seats PPP & PML acquired in those elections and also check the turnouts.
I think you misunderstood me, you said those that ruled Karachi after the 90s failed to win the peoples hearts in the elections to come, I was just pointing out how they failed to win the hearts of EVERYONE and not just Karachi as evident by their pathetic election run in 1997, where they won like 20-25 seats! Im talking about the PPP here.
