Halal Food Products

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Dil kol ker kaa lo… just eat it, it’s fine…bas keh diya :snooty:

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Chicken injected with beef waste sold in UK

Muslims and Jews conned into eating meat bulked out with cow and pig products
By Martin Hickman, Consumer Affairs Correspondent

Thursday, 4 June 2009

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Halal meat in a sandwich shop. Some food manufacturers are making bulking agents out of porcine and bovine gristle and bones that help inflate chicken breasts, so that they fetch a higher price

Cafes and restaurants across Britain have been selling chicken secretly injected with beef and pork waste, The Independent can reveal today.
In a hi-tech fraud run by firms in three EU states, food manufacturers are making bulking agents out of porcine and bovine gristle and bones that help inflate chicken breasts, so that they fetch a higher price.
The swindle was only detected by the Food Standards Agency (FSA) using new scientific techniques because the non-chicken material had been so highly processed it passed standard DNA tests.
Thousands of restaurateurs and cafe owners are likely to have been conned into buying chicken containing the powder – which binds water into chicken breasts – while diners have been unwittingly consuming traces of other animals when eating out.
Britain’s two million Muslims, Jews and Hindus are forbidden from eating either pork or beef. Muslims would ordinarily eat halal chicken and Jews kosher chicken sold through approved caterers and butchers.
The Hindu Forum of Britain described news of the adulteration, which will be confirmed publicly today, as “shocking and potentially very distressing” . Its secretary general, Bharti Tailor, said: “Eating beef is expressly forbidden because cows are considered to be sacred as they are a representation of the bounty of the gods, even unknowingly. The fact that the protein powders injected into chickens served in restaurants and cafes contain even traces of beef or pork is horrific. And [the fact] that Hindus will have been eating beef contaminated chickens will be mentally agonising. Many will feel that they have broken their religious code=2 0of conduct.”
The food regulator acknowledged the serious consequences of its findings. “Use of these proteins does not make chicken products unsafe, but it is important that people are given accurate information about their food,” the FSA said.
The fraud has been taking place for at least the past two years, and still continues because of inaction by the authorities in three EU states, believed to be Germany, Netherlands and Spain.
The European Commission rebuffed British demands to ban beef and pork proteins from being added to chicken when first detected in the UK and Ireland in 2001 and 2003. Then, action was taken against a chicken company in the Netherlands and the authorities thought the problem had gone away.
When complaints began to surface again last year, the FSA launched a secret investigation to ascertain whether chicken – the most eaten meat in the UK – was bei ng adulterated again. At first, scientists could not find any non-chicken protein because the meat had been “de-natured” (made unrecognisable) . The Central Science Laboratory in York and York University developed special DNA market tests.
“It’s like Olympic drug tests; they stay one step ahead of the testers,” said a source close to the investigation.
Manufacturers in Germany and Spain are thought to be making the protein powders; Dutch firms inject them into chickens sold on to UK wholesalers supplying the catering trade.
Using a new DNA marker technique, the FSA tested five protein powders from three companies. All five were found to contain a non-poultry material identified as bovine collagen. Further tests found the presence of porcine material in two powders.
Tests picked up traces of beef in one of three chicken breasts.
In a report passed to The Independent, the FSA noted: “The study of a small number of injection powders used in chicken breast products has indicated the presence of undeclared, mammalian peptides, i.e., from a non-poultry source in the samples analysed. The analyses applied indicate the presence of bovine collagen in all the powders sampled and suggest the presence of porcine collagen in some of the powders.”
It added: "Certification accompanying the powders claim they are produced only from a poultry source, however, the analytical results suggest this claim could not be substantiated. "
Manufacturers can legally add water to chicken, for instance to improve succulence, but must declare water content of above 5 per cent. Fresh chicken meat sold by supermarkets or butchers cannot have any added ingredients. When the FSA alerted its continental counterparts, the factories involved were inspected but no legal action has been taken.
Some chicken products state on the20label whether they contain hydrolised (chicken) proteins. The FSA advised consumers that they “may wish” to avoid such chicken. “If you are eating food from a restaurant or takeaway you should ask if the chicken served contains hydrolysed animal proteins,” the FSA will say today. “Restaurants and catering establishments will have this information available to them.”
Sue Davies, chief policy adviser at the consumer group Which?, said: “It’s bad enough that when you think you’re buying chicken what you’re paying for is an awful lot of water and other animal proteins but if you want to avoid beef or pork for religious reasons it’s going to be particularly shocking and annoying. There’s a need for better enforcement action, or people will carry on doing this.”

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tum kehthi ho tho maan leithi hoon :hinna:

Sang-choor
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My question to you is, can you live without eating them or not?

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The apprehension in your sentence says it all…:slight_smile:

If you don’t feel comfortable eating them, then don’t…until you feel that you have aquired the necessary knowledge to act on otherwise.

I’ve said it before, i believe that shellfish is permissable, i’m at that school of thought… having said that i eat any ghandh bla…:stuck_out_tongue:

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I have avoided it so far because of the "doubt" since i came here !

Used to eat them in Dubai as i was not aware abt this !

But then the same applies to kosher . If a product says kosher gelatin for example how does that make it ok because at the end of the day its still not entirely by islamic practice !

**Maroush , I have decided to avoid all till i have a clear answer that is satisfactory to me where it says yes i can have them **

like TLK points out , if u can live without it then avoid it

The Hi/Bye Thread
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Ditto, expect pork !

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Sheyn: Regarding kosher, i can't say i can recollect ever consuming any kosher products.... i don't classify it as the equvalent to halal products, and because of this doubt in my mind, i refrain from consuming such kosher products.

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Shell fish are Aphrodisiacs :chai:

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and that is exactly my point about shellfish. Some consider it haram, but many consider it makrouh, and to me, makrouh and halal are 2 diff things, so I just dont avoid haram, I stick to halal

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on what basis are they considered makrooh?
because there is no information there?
can we just have a list if makrooh items and sources
can one eat a vulture
how about a kangaroo
whats the ruling on a zebra
ostritch, koala
panda, salamander
shark, whale
mule, orangutan
octopus, jellyfish
locust, grasshopper, hippopotamus, squirrel, armadillo,
bat, fruitbat, chinchilla, penguin, seal, walrus..

I mean men's health has this book eat this not that out which explains why
maybe we need an islamic "eat this not that" book.
lets not get stuck in cultural acceptabilty of what animals one can eat and what one can not, just because something is not explicitly called out as being allowed does not make it subpar to something that we are used to eating.

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I am not arguing on what one can eat, what one cannot eat ..

I am supporting, what one can avoid, theory. If eating lobster is an absolute must for an individual, then its OK. We all follow choices within certain boundaries. My boundary could be same as yours, but with in that boundary, my choices could be different than yours.

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i know dude, but I want people to be better able to understand teh concept of makrooh
its not that islam calls it makrooh or islam says avoid it if possible, or islam says these things are doubtful, but because there is not enough information for people to be certain and thus there is an element ot doubt whether they are explictly allowed.

but no thanks to you TLK, the damn koala lives to see another day..
one day koala..one day, i will get a fatwa about you being halaal and then koala chops and koala steaks at the party.. muhahahahahah

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you hit it right on the spot. Till enough info is available, its better to avoid. That is what I think

Although there is a strong school of thought that says that unless its is specifically told to be haram, its not haram. Because islam cannot list everything what is allowed, but islam can list the harams as the list would be short. Just avoid that and eat everything else

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TLK is not halal :nahi:

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I can feel your pain Sheyn, I can feel your pain.

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Nahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii…:naak:

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^ Dont be too sad. Just to be sure, check with some Muftis for the exact ruling. You never know ..

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or if u cant find a mufti just ask some muftay on this site..TLk for example

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Tell me its not true …:naak:

I need to know Halal , Haraam or Makrooh ?