Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

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thank you!!
s4m some people did say its fard..which is why this whole thread became so confusing!! I believe in sunnah...but i think some people go overboard with the stuff written in it...and forget the fact that it is not fard........then make claims such as "you HAVE to follow & things"...etc.....or things like...sunnah is equivalent to the word of Allah...(astaghfarullah)...

if my husband wants to keep a beard....and if i dont like facial hair.......he should take me into consideration......because he is to spend his life with me...if i do something he doesnt like....I will make it a point not to repeat it again....simple....religion shouldnt even be brought up.....

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^ well said

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but again i have to disagree with u...as u r still reinforcing ur own rules upon the guy,

if he thinks he shud keep a beard and this will get him closer to his religion and wat he believes in then we shud not have any objections to it, as he is tryina be a good muslim a good person. im sure if he knew wat ur aim is he wudn't stop u either, coz tht is getting in the way of someones 'ibadat' [worship] thts his way of expressing himself to being a muslim and a person tht follows the path of the Prophet[pbuh] so he shud be free to do so.

and we shud accept our hubbies the way they r, not the way we want them to be, coz im sure we r not perfect ideal women for them either.[his ideal might be someone with green eyes,long hair,brown/tanned skin who covers up but is still a profession career wise and so on] [urs pref hubby might be someone tht luks like john abraham,and attitude of a bad boy but a sweet soft spot for u]but when u get married u might not get tht ...so.u have to own their good points and their bad points,to truly love them.

now if he was to drink and smoke...i wud make it my mission to encourage him to stop..with love and still respect. tht is doing somin right[coz drinking is haram and smoking can kill so it is advised not to do it]

same wit u if u wanna do something to express something gud [being a gud daughter in law ,muslim etc] he shud not stop u either

but something like keeping a beard to reprisnt himself as a muslim is something to be proud of and thankful for as guys do not come to religion so easy...and when they do alhamdulillah they do it the proper way. so all im saying is tht if everyone els is allowed to live out their life the way they want to, if they have a choice in everything...y shudn't ppl tht want to keep a beard be given the same respect and option...and families shudn't come in the way. as it is a free world.

hope u understand me now :)

FI IMAN ALLAH

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so much fighting for/against beard????

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You need to learn the art of debate, it is a debate going on here and clearly you have run out of arguments.

For your information Wajib is equivalent to Fard in Islamic dictionary and the argument in favor of beard started with the use of this word and with this logic , Since Rasool Alllah( SAW) had a beard all his life and he ordered us to keep a beard so it is wajib for Muslim men to keep a beard.

I am trying to prove that if an argument can be made in favor of beard like this then there are many other sunnah's for which same argument can be made , why leave them on a side .

Unse jab jab bhi mulaqaaten huin
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For your information Wajib is equivalent to Fard in Islamic dictionary

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According to the majority of scholars yes. However, in the Hanafi madhab for example, there is a difference between fard and wajib. According to them, denying a fard takes you out of the fold of Islam but denying a wajib does not. Like for example, someone who says "praying five times a day is not obligatory, you dont have to pray" (different from someone who says "I know praying is fard but Im too lazy/busy/tired, so I wont", this person isnt denying a fard, but they are sinning). Also, the term fard is used for acts that are agreed without a single doubt to be obligatory, like prayer, fasting. Wajib is used for acts whose proof there can be a difference of opinion amongst the scholars. So everytime the terms fard and wajib are used they dont necessarily mean the exact same thing

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I think men with beards look ugly and ungroomed. sorry guys, I'd make that kinda THREATENING WIFE one day ;)

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^ They scare babies too

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there are so many other sunnah's as well i agree with u...but saying tht we shud ride the camel or horse is coz Nabee[PBUH] said tht we shud not use mordrn means of transport is a load of rubish! and u knw it..as there were no cars,buses,or airplane so dnt gimme i have lost argument...i wasn't aruging wit u or anyone els...and stop taking things so personali coz im not making uu a target and i was giving u respect but ur still thinkin and taking wat im expressing in the wrong contex. are u the one who gives out fatwa? get me a fatwa on wat ur so called argument is and il try and understand where ur coming from!

and how is keeping a beard and riding a camel the same thing? i dnt get it...coz keeping a beard hasn't changed over the time period but a means of transportation HAS! so wheres the logic brother/sister? coz the QUR'AN and SUNNAH does not change with time! it stays the same..no matter wat

1400 yrs ago women were told to cover up [hijab of the head to the chest and a dress tht does not reveal their figrs] and men were told the same the hijab of the eyes and mind. and to cover them selves from the neck to the ankls ...its still the same 1400 yrs later. do u c where am coming from?

am not being disrespectful to u or anyone els and i am not going to tolrt insulting attitude either. if ur the moderator i am ur guest and a fellow muslima in the site...so sunnah says show ur gratitude and respect and be humble towards ur guests wheres the following sunnah going then? coz so far u have nulled it out in the way ur 'debating'

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You two could not control your urge to be outrageous , you had to say that . It is like saying that all women who do not wear makeup look ugly or scare the babies , would you relate to that or agree to that ?

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LOL!!!

Sorry Mirch, but there is an element of truth to that. When babies r not used to seeing beards, they cry when they see a bearded fellow. My dads appearance has been responsible for these incidents many a time.

When we were young, the only person we ever saw with a beard was the Maulvi, but we weren't scared, we used to sit on his lap and PULL HIS BEARD mercilessly, poor man.

Now beards r much more common.

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where do you see the rudeness in my argument ? blaming me for something I did not do is insulting and rude. You need to take a chill pill I guess.

Stating a fact is not mocking the religion , would you deny the fact tha Rasoll Allah( SAW) used the camels and horses for his journies all his life.
Again you need a chill pill I would say.

That is insulitng and rude.

I never said that Nabee(SAW) said that , putting words in my mouth is insulting and rude.
calling someone's argument a load of rubish is rude and insulting.

Which part of my posts make you think that I am taking this discussion personal.
Fatwa is an opinion not a faisal/verdict/decision and non binding anybody can have an opinion on anything based on his/her understanding of the issue at hand. So my opinion is that keeping a beard is a non binding sunnah that is all.

How change in the mode of transportation gives us a license to not follow a sunnah which Rasool Allah(SAW) practiced all his life. If we are supposed to follow Allah and his Rasool then we have to follow it to the dot in every matter of life not according to our convenience.

Many sunnah have changed with time , one big example is saying of Azan using speaker/sound system and muqtadi of a namaz going into rakooh and sajood after listening to the echo of an Imam on a sound system not a live imam.

No I do not know where you are coming from in this argument.

I did not use any insulting or darogatory comment about you but you are constantly doing so I have given you example of your insults aimed at me above. If you can give me one example of my insult for you I will whole heartedly applogize to you , I have done so many a times in the past when my word were taken as an insult by a member , and I am willing to so now too.
Telling someone to calm down or take a chill pill is not an isulting in any dictionary of the world. And telling someone to learn the art of debate is not insulting either.

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:CareBear:

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Good thing you didnt set it on fire!

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actually I won't agree to it. I don't think all women without makeup would look ugly. But hell ya! all men with beards look like the george of jungle to me!

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OMG!!! HAHAHA, that was HILARIOUS!

How r u feeling right now?
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I think men with beards look ugly and ungroomed

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Its really interesting you know. Throughout history, the beard has been associated with different things at different times, both positive and negative --wisdom, maturity, manliness, power, good looks (and Im not just talking about amongst Muslims)....vs. ugliness, dirtiness, ungroomedness, hoboness [is that even a word?]

I think it would be interesting to see....tomorrow if all the big shot actors, models, singers, sports figures started growing their beards...how many Muslim guys would also follow suit and grow a beard...the same ones who balked at growing one simply because their beloved Prophet pbuh had one

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Anyways, I was just reading right now on a website (nonIslamic) about men and beards and they had a survey done on why men chose to grow their beards, I found some of the responses interesting, especially how many men said that they find it the "natural" thing to do...

What were your reasons for growing a beard?
- I grew a beard because I hated shaving and I like the way beards look.
- Went on holiday and couldn't be bothered to shave. Liked the look of the resulting beard and decided to keep it!
- I enjoy the look and feel. It gives some indication of my personality, being the outdoors type.
- Couldn't wait to grow my beard. Always admired bearded men and wanted to look like them.
- Like beards. Hate shaving.
- Easier than shaving. Looks better.
- I feel it really enhances my looks.
- I like the look of a nice beard...
- Also I grew it to look older. Hadn't tried it before and wanted to see how it would look.
- I GREW IT TO MAKE ME LOOK A LITTLE OLDER, FOUND OUT IT ALSO MADE ME MORE HANDSOME.
- I like the way it looks.
- ALWAYS WANTED ONE. LIKED THE IDEA I COULD!
- Beards are beautiful and a natural part of a man's face. I cannot fathom fighting a daily battle against something my own body does naturally.
Its masculine qualities. The fact that men can grow beards is a characteristic that nature has given us to distinguish ourselves from the female gender. I thought it would be interesting and fulfilling for me to grow one. I also have red hair and thought a red beard on my face would add more character.
I was a senior in college and had always wanted to do it and it seemed the right time.
- It's the natural state of a man's face, and I like the way it looks.
- To me, it makes a man look even manlier, and handsome. Men should look as masculine as they can in my opinion. It's one those things that separate the men from the boys (or girls).
- I like the way it looks and feels.
- Wanted to see if I could, and prove to those who thought I was so predictable, that I am not. Basically just wanted to try it at least once.
- My beard gives me a distinctive look.
- A beard highly improves the appearance of a man's face. A beard is to a face like the music is to a poem. :-) Beards are beautiful!
- Excited I finally could! Experiment.
- I enjoy the look and feeling of having a beard!
- Completes the face. Looks good. Commands attention, too.
- I like how it looks on me.
- I like the look and feel of it. The beard has become a part of my identity. I can't imagine myself without it! I can't imagine shaving it off either!
- Made me feel more distinguished. I realized once I grew it, I couldn't let go of it.
- I think it made me look better and more handsome to the girls.
- Looks good. Expression of manliness. I hate to shave.
- I never dared to grow a beard because I was afraid it would look foolish upon someone barely 20 years of age. But then I had a summer job. I had to get up very early in the morning and I didn't have the time to shave. After 2 weeks I had a nice beard and people were very positive about it.
- To gain a more masculine look and just the fact that I liked the look of a beard.
- Always wanted one. Looks masculine. Part of my personality.
- I just liked the look, very masculine.
- To see what it looked like.
- Wanted to see if I could.
- I like the look of a beard, the feel of a beard, and I hate everything associated with shaving.
- I have always liked the look of a beard and always thought that one would look good on me.
- I like the way they look, makes me feel very manly.
natural thing to do
- I like the way it looks and feels. It is one of the few things a man can still do,that most women can not....
- Fulfill a dream
- Always wanted to.
- I thought they looked good. Some girls I dated years ago liked the looks of it. My wife actually prefers that I have a beard. She thinks it makes me look more distinguished. In all honesty the beard kept at proper length helps protect against cold as well as heat. Also, once the beard is grown out, if you need to come home and get changed to go out for a meeting or appointment, you don't have to worry about the 5 o'clock shadow, as if you weren't washed and clean. You seem to be more consistent looking, because people will know, "Hey this guy sports a beard".
- Women like men with beards...
- I like the look of my face better with a beard.
- To put it simply, I look hot with a beard.
- How it looks, and how it makes ME feel with it.
- All the men in my family have beards.
- Always imagined myself with a beard.
- I like the way it shapes the contours of my face. I like the feel of a full beard. I like the looks I get from other men who wish they could grow full beards.
It's masculine. I like it. I don't have to drag steel across my face daily. I like my beard. It's part of me and my personality. Besides, others tell me it's sexy!

- Looks good and feels good.
- In some ways I feel that the ability to grow a beard is synonymous with manhood. I always felt that growing a beard was a very sexy thing to do. I like the look, the feel and the reaction I get from others when I have a beard. - Beards make a man look unique and distinguished.
- looks cool
- I have had a beard for 16 years now and will probably have it for the rest of my life. I like the way I look with my beard.
- Looks great and very masculine.
- Just luv to have a beard.
- Makes me feel good and it looks great.
- I find it very sexy to have a beard.
- I like 'em. I grew one in college and it looked good on me. Then I went into the military and... As soon as I retired, I grew one again.
- I look good in a beard and it fills in nicely. Besides, I was in the military for over 12 years and couldn't grow one then except on vacations. Now I am out of the military and can do whatever I please. ;-)

  • Women wear makeup; men grow beards.
  1. It's a socially acceptable way of saying "I'm a man".
  2. It's sexy.
  3. Keeps my face warmer during winter.
  • I grew my beard at the age of 23 during a change I was making in my life. My father grew a beard for the Expo 67 year, like many Canadian men did, and that became the way I've known him ever since.
  • I always had an appreciation for beards/moustaches.
  • Personal - I think it looks GREAT!
  • Professional - for operas and plays
  • I feel better about myself with a beard.
  • HAVING A BEARD IS A VERY SPECIAL THING. IT IS VERY MASCULINE AND SEXY.
  • Maybe just to prove that I can. They look stately. People treat you differently.
  • It's part of who I am.
  • Because I like beards.
  • Beards give their wearers some gravitas. I wanted a look that combined virility with intelligence (I think beards are sensual, but also connote power and mind). I tried a goatee first, then went to a full beard, and, about five years ago, let it go long--my beard is now voluminous and fairly lengthy, giving a sort of 19th-century (Lytton-Strachey) look. It is completely distinctive, and gets me comments all the time. Too, there is the nuisance of shaving, which I never really enjoyed all that much, and quit doing at about age 23.
  • I like the way that it frames my face. I think I look better with a beard.
  • Liked the look and feel. Like the way having a beard makes me feel.
  • Purely looks. I like the look of a beard. It sets me apart from the crowd.
  • The masculine looks that it gave and the sheer feel of the hair on my face were reasons enough to grow a beard.
  • I just thought that a beard would suit me. Almost all of my historical role models had some sort of beard. Plus, I think beards look cool and add decoration to one's face. They also provide a more mature appearance, at least for me. I have always seen beards as a part of our natural heritage. Men in every culture have grown them for centuries. Moses, Jesus, Robert E. Lee, JEB Stuart, the Babylonians, Saxons, Vikings, Mongols, and all other sorts of people were proud of them. Unfortunately, our ancestors picked up on that nasty Roman habit of shaving. (Which is a shame because I'm sure that most Romans probably could have grown excellent beards, as a few of them did). I have always admired beards, but most of my family and girlfriends have hated them.
  • I like the way it looks! It is a part of me.
  • My father had a beard. My uncles and brothers had (have) them. From a very young age I felt that it "just seemed right" that men should grow beards. - I like the way they look.
  • Well I guess the main reason I grow my beard is because I look better with my beard. Plus I get tired of shaving all the time.
  • To create a rougher, more manly look. -Beards are cool.
  • I believe it is the way God intended us to be. He did not provide us with the ability to grow facial hair unless He wanted us to grow facial hair. I also like the way it looks and feels. But my Mom hates it!
  • I love my beard and have only shaved it a few times, but grew it right back.
  • I liked the look... I like the fact that it adds a few years to my age, I am 27 and am told I look around thirty (which is great by me). I also enjoy the feel of my beard as I rub my hands through it, I find it very relaxing (kinda a habit I guess).
  • Beards are very sexy...a statement to the world that you have come of age and are ready to meet any challenge.
  • I wanted one.
  • I like the way it looks on me and the way others view me with it. They tend to view me in a different light with it. I keep it short and trimmed.
  • I think it is sexy and masculine. At first it was also to make me look older. - Now I am older and I love my beard.
  • I really enjoy the look and feel.
  • wanted to grow one.
  • Wanted to see if I could.
  • After leaving the military, I felt a big change was needed. Actually I'm lazy and would rather not shave any more than I have too. I have had a beard for 21 years. Think about shaving it off every summer but haven't so far.
  • I don't really know. I just wanted to grow a beard for as long as I can remember.
  • My father always had one.
  • released from army
  • They look and feel good and are distinctively masculine.
  • It requires some courage to grow a beard. Your Internet site (that I discovered one month ago) has helped me. I only had the moustache so far. Thank you very much.
  • Because almost every man looks better with a beard than without. Beards are distinctive, stylish, expand the possibilities for personal grooming and expressiveness.
  • Because I wanted to and could. Grew it in first semester in undergrad (1978) when I left home and have had it ever since.
  • Looks primarily. I always wanted a beard while growing up becuse to me it was a symbol of rustic manliness. It also carries with it a certain dignity when it is well trimmed.
  • To stand out from the clean shaven masses.
  • Cause I like them and thought it would make me look better (and it has). More men should have them!!!
  • I think they look cool. I think my face looks better with one.
  • Initially, I grew a beard to end my problem with shaving bumps, common with many Afro-American men. Also, I wanted to look older.
  • I FEEL LIKE A REAL MAN HAVING A BEARD.
  • They look so awesome!
  • I don't know exactly why, but as long as I remember I knew that I would have a beard. My father used to tell me that when I used to watch him shave when I was three, I would tell him that I would never shave and that I would have a beard.....and I have only shaved it off twice since I was 18 and it was for only one day and I started over again.
  • To me, it is the most meaningful symbol of healthy masculinity.
  • I grew a beard because I thought that it looked cool, and I have always wanted to grow a beard. My father has a beard and I suppose that had something to do with it.
  • To give myself a more manly look. I find men who can't grow good full beards envy men who can. All men have the need to grow beards. If for no other reason, just so they can feel like a real man. All women love mine!
  • I don't like to shave, of course. I also think that almost any man who can grow a thick-enough beard looks better with a beard.
  • See what it was like.
  • Time saver.
  • Best thing I ever did.
  • Wish I did it when I was single. I was nervous at first, but after getting a lot of positive feedback from women, I knew I did the right thing.
  • I first grew my beard to see how it looked and to see what kind of reactions I got from my friends. Once I grew it out, I realized that I liked it, and my friends did as well.
  • Beards look great!
  • I have always been fascinated by the bearded face as long as I can remember.
  • It seems to me like a manly thing to do.
  • I love it and it makes me very good-looking and manly.
  • I was curious what it would look like and feel like.
  • Some rebellion against having had to stay clean-shaven for 4 years while in the USAF, and partly because it made me look older and more masculine. I find my beard makes me stand out in a crowd. People can't help but look a facial hair. I always notice glances to my beard when I am talking with people. This is especially noticeable when you first meet someone. It makes me feel sexually alive on a daily basis. I often stroke my beard on purpose when engaged in conversation just to heighten this awareness even further. Some people appear to be fascinated when you stroke your beard.
  • They look and feel great.
  • It seemed the natural thing to do. To shave is to look artificial for a man. Bad-looking beards are understandable to shave off.
  • My Dad had a beard.
  • Many of my childhood heros had a beard.
  • I like the look of a beard on me, as do other folks, both men and women.
  • I like the way I look in a beard, and my face hates to be shaved.
  • It looks good, and is natural.
  • I've always been fascinated by beards. It's such a defining quality for a man. - So many men go clean-shaven, and it's all so uniform. BUT, a man with a beard is distinct, unique, special, because every beard is a little different. After being in the army for eight years and having been required to shave, I vowed that when I got out I would never shave again unless I desired to. From July 1990 until now I have worn a beard with the exception of once screwing it up while trimming it and then and only then shaved it off. I was curious what I would look like totally natural. I figured that God would not have given me a beard if He did not intend for me to let it grow. Since that time I have received many positive comments, chiefly from young women.
  • Like the look and the fact that unbearded men tend to defer to bearded men.
  • I like the looks of a beard. Everyone says I look better with a beard.
  • Always thought they were the best showing of manliness.
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wow that was looooooooong

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uff..i think this is where the confusion began…beard&religion…
how can a beard bring someone closer to religion…I thought the fear of Allah Ta’ala and the desire to satisfy HIM…brought you closer to him…how can keeping a beard make you a good muslim…i am still wondering…

we try to be :slight_smile: and so should he…free will is not gender determined..thank you..
beard does not cross any religious, ethical…or fashion boundaries…

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i think this particular statement has misrepresented muslim men throughout the entire world…