Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

[Obama]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@ajazali

Surah Maryam 19 :88-92
And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son.”
You have done an atrocious thing.
The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation
That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.

I wonder how a Muslim can disregard the fact that what Christians believe with saying merry Christmas. saying merry Christmas and telling that we dont believe what christians believe does not make sense as it still involves you in the propagation of their message.

Birth of Holy Prophet Eisa/Jesus PBUH is a happy occasion it being one of Allah’s miracles and that is totally different from having a belief nuozobillah that he is Son of the Almighty!

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@muqawwee123

Not again.. tera kutta kutta hai, mera kutta tommy and chit bhi meri pat bhi meri.

What now your gona say we are all mushriks?

I was right to say i was talking to liberals, right? app ki poetry tau teek he par himari baat sirf poetry par nahi

deen ki thori samaj honi chahiye
Agar koi sawal hai shirk ke mutabik puch lo muj se, ya muje dushman bana liya hai ke mai christians ko mushrik samajta hoon aur muslamano ko muwahid, aur merry christmas kena na jaiz samjta hoon

[lol most of that was probably hindi, please reply in english]

@muqawwee123

Thanks for telling me whats blasphemy and whats not. Main shaheed hone ke liye tayyar hoon

The crux of the matter is what were you trying to say earlier?

Is saying merry christmas is impermissible a sign of intolerant bigot?

You have gone shush in terms of the actual issue we were discussing. I take it you have learnt something. That’s good

[muqawwee123]

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koi haal nahin. I would rather stick to my views than learning rigidness. haRa huwa pani bad-boo dar hota hai. Thats all I can hint you.

[vroom]

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@Ali_Syed

That’s what you believe. How can one condone someone bowing in front of graves? Aren’t we supposed to bow only in front of Allah? This is just one thing we can cite many other similar things. It’s rich throwing stones while sitting in a glass house.

Saying Merry Christmas and bowing to Graves can be shirk. Standing could be shirk too
Christian belief on Isa Alaihis Salam is confirmed by The Religion to be Shirk

Where as Bowing to people is confirmed command of Allah Ta’ala to Angels and a Sunnah of the Prophets Alaihis Salam confirmed in the Quran. This is called a Tazeemi Sajda.

Its not permissible in our Shariah, Imam Ahmad Raza Khan has termed it Haram in our Shariah. It is not shirk unless the person intended worship. We are not to term the person bowing infront of a Grave as a Mushrik. This is the Shariah position on it. It is not Shirk

As long as you know the legislator of what is Shirk and what is not has confirmed christians as mushriks, and Tazeemi Sajda as a Sunnah of His Righteous Servants you will know I am not in a glass House.

In Sha Allah this is not taken as rude, but you need to know the abc of islam before you can say we and the christians are the same. You do not qualify for this rank

Im not being rude but this is the truth. its Absurd lack of understanding

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@muqawwee123

koi haal nahin. I would rather stick to my views than learning rigidness. haRa huwa pani bad-boo dar hota hai. Thats all I can hint you.

Why hint? come say what you want to say

Btw the question i have asked you recently, and your failure to answer them is proof you are rigid [and something worse, i’ll keep your secret]

bad boo be keh geya aur phir be main hoon rigid intolerant bigot

[muqawwee123]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@vroom

Why hint? come say what you want to say

Btw the question i have asked you recently, and your failure to answer them is proof you are rigid [and something worse, i’ll keep your secret]

bad boo be keh geya aur phir be main hoon rigid intolerant bigot

lagta hai aap mujhe raah e raast pe laane ke chakar main hai. But for the time being, I’m not interested to fall for blind alley and suffocated version of religion. Thanks for the offer.

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@muqawwee123

lagta hai aap mujhe raah e raast pe laane ke chakar main hai. But for the time being, I’m not interested to fall for blind alley and suffocated version of religion. Thanks for the offer.

No No

App ka Guidance Allah ki Zimadari hai. Mein tau app ki sawal ka jawab dene main chala tha, aur app ke sath Islami soche ki battain karne ki niyat par tha. Lagta hai main app ka dushman ho geya hoon. lolz. Wo bhi teek hai, kyun ke app ki wajha [patwari] ghalat hai, aur ghalat reason ke liye muje dushman banana muje teek lagta hai. Achi baat hai

[muqawwee123]

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@vroom

No No

App ka Guidance Allah ki Zimadari hai. Mein tau app ki sawal ka jawab dene main chala tha, aur app ke sath Islami soche ki battain karne ki niyat par tha. Lagta hai main app ka dushman ho geya hoon. lolz. Wo bhi teek hai, kyun ke app ki wajha [patwari] ghalat hai, aur ghalat reason ke liye muje dushman bana muje teek lagta hai. Achi baat hai

dosti aur sushmani taluq aur waqt ka taqaza karti hai. aap jaise log taluq banane se mazoor hote hain, kiyun jab apne ander ‘main hi theek hoon’ ka vird chalne lage to samne khaRa insaan keeRa makoRa lagte hai. aur itni aqal to aap main hogi ke taluq barabri se bante hain unse nahin jinhe neech aur gira huwa samjha jae. Khush rahen apne khayalat main. mujhe na to khwa ma khah ki dushmaniyan paalne ka shoq hai na hi raah chalte kisi ke gale paRne ka.

[vroom]

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@muqawwee123

dosti aur sushmani taluq aur waqt ka taqaza karti hai. aap jaise log taluq banane se mazoor hote hain, kiyun jab apne ander ‘main hi theek hoon’ ka vird chalne lage to samne khaRa insaan keeRa makoRa lagte hai. aur itni aqal to aap main hogi ke taluq barabri se bante hain unse nahin jinhe neech aur gira huwa samjha jae. Khush rahen apne khayalat main. mujhe na to khwa ma khah ki dushmaniyan paalne ka shoq hai na hi raah chalte kisi ke gale paRne ka.

Koi koi batain ap ki nahin samaj aeein, meri urdu bahot kamzor hai.

Ye apni mazlumiyat ka app ne bahana baya hai

App ko sirf ye maine bataya hai ke app apni rai ko itna ooncha na karra karein ke agar Islam ki wohi position hai jo maine kehi thi tau phir app par Allah Ta’ala ka blasphemy ka jurm lag jaye. App ko bhi ye baat beneficial honi chahiye, par app tau apna bet ball ghar le chale parre. Aur mere insult karne karne eid bana li hai

Baat Islam ki Shariat se chalti hai, humari sochoin se nahi

[redvelvet]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

Good grief people. Just respond with “happy holidays.”

[SID_NY]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

how about listening christmas songs? Love the tone of “feliz navidad”

[vroom]

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If I ever hear “Mary had a little lamb, little Lamb” it almost brings me to tears

I know Isa Alaihis Salam was not killed but the thuggery of the people at the time…

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

For seekers of Islamic knowledge from Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah:

[Q-ID0136] The ruling on saying ‘Merry Christmas’ or ‘Shub Diwali’ - Seekers Path](http://www.seekerspath.co.uk/question-bank/belief-aqaaid/q-id0136-saying-happy-merry-christmas/)

Says it is prohibited to greet them on their festivals, and it is kufr to deem their festivals good

This makes sense since Islam did not forbid those beliefs and religions just for Muslims to later validate them!

[kakaballi]

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@vroom

…Its not permissible in our Shariah, Imam Ahmad Raza Khan has termed it Haram in our Shariah. It is not shirk unless the person intended worship. We are not to term the person bowing infront of a Grave as a Mushrik. This is the Shariah position on it. It is not Shirk …

This is classic. You invoke ‘intention’ when you like and reject it when you don’t.

So, the intention of the person saying “Merry Christmas” would not matter?

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@kakaballi

This is classic. You invoke ‘intention’ when you like and reject it when you don’t.

So, the intention of the person saying “Merry Christmas” would not matter?

This half quoting wont work

I think you got me mixed up with mullah gustakh, no that’s not me [In Sha Allah]

I said [in the post you part quoted]:

Saying Merry Christmas and bowing to Graves can be shirk. Standing could be shirk too
Christian belief on Isa Alaihis Salam is confirmed by The Religion to be Shirk

Where as Bowing to people is confirmed command of Allah Ta’ala to Angels and a Sunnah of the Prophets Alaihis Salam confirmed in the Quran. This is called a Tazeemi Sajda.

Its not permissible in our Shariah, Imam Ahmad Raza Khan has termed it Haram in our Shariah. It is not shirk unless the person intended worship. We are not to term the person bowing infront of a Grave as a Mushrik. This is the Shariah position on it. It is not Shirk

As long as you know the legislator of what is Shirk and what is not has confirmed christians as mushriks, and Tazeemi Sajda as a Sunnah of His Righteous Servants you will know I am not in a glass House.

In Sha Allah this is not taken as rude, but you need to know the abc of islam before you can say we and the christians are the same. You do not qualify for this rank

Im not being rude but this is the truth. its Absurd lack of understanding

Some of the reasons why Tazeemi Sajda is not Shirk is contained in the above post. A sufficient amount

Remember Tazeemi Sajda is impermissible no matter the intention in our Shariah [laws], it is not Shirk however. They are two different things

Now onto your current contention: That I apply ‘intention’ when i like and reject it when i do not

In Sha Allah I will be kept away from such hypocrisy

The truth is I have not even talked about the intention of merry christmas wisher

You really have got me confused for someone else. My reputation and language probably adds to this confusion, so it is partly my fault

However partly the fault is with those reading my posts and their lack of comprehension aka reading ability

What I have said on wishing merry christmas and shirk is the following *:
“Saying Merry Christmas and bowing to Graves can be shirk. Standing could be shirk too…”
“…Although it can be shirk but for the average person it would not be shirk to wish them a merry christmas but its imperssible [as far i know]…”

See No shirk allegation on ‘merry christmas’

It was one of the points i intentionally made, but since then the pro merry christmas crowd have been contending with me partly for saying it is impermissible to wish merry christmas and partly for other more personal reasons [whom I by the help of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala exposed to their own faults, may they benefit and do tauba after this very lesson]*

[kakaballi]

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@vroom

…The truth is I have not even talked about the intention of merry christmas wisher…

That is the problem. Why the intention of the person saying “Merry Christmas” not taken into account while that of a person visiting graves is?

[vroom]

Re: Wishing the christians happy christmas? Allowed or no?

@kakaballi

That is the problem. Why the intention of the person saying “Merry Christmas” not taken into account while that of a person visiting graves is?

Because we are not establishing Shirk on either so NO intention is taken into account. Both are impermissible acts

[kakaballi]

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@vroom

Because we are not establishing Shirk on either so NO intention is taken into account. Both are impermissible acts

Visiting graves is impremissible?

[muqawwee123]

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@vroom

Koi koi batain ap ki nahin samaj aeein, meri urdu bahot kamzor hai.

Ye apni mazlumiyat ka app ne bahana baya hai

App ko sirf ye maine bataya hai ke app apni rai ko itna ooncha na karra karein ke agar Islam ki wohi position hai jo maine kehi thi tau phir app par Allah Ta’ala ka blasphemy ka jurm lag jaye. App ko bhi ye baat beneficial honi chahiye, par app tau apna bet ball ghar le chale parre. Aur mere insult karne karne eid bana li hai

Baat Islam ki Shariat se chalti hai, humari sochoin se nahi

You know what is your problem? You think very high of you and the version of religion you follow and you just throw it in others face. You are hell bent to justify acts which are shirk for others, but have issues with small things like wishing someone ‘Merry Christmas’ without intention of following Christian belief.

With such attitude you will only create resentment for yourself and bad image of ideology you follow. Just a little advice, come from your high horse. see things from others perspective before judging and throwing labels like liberal. This might relieve you from the tension which is apparent in your posts

[vroom]

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@kakaballi

Visiting graves is impremissible?

Making sajda to them is impermissible. That is what was being discussed earlier