Who are the Ahlel Bayt?

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[35:31] And that which We have revealed to you (Muhammad [s]) of the Book, that is the truth verifying that which is before it; most surely with respect to His servants Allah is Aware, Seeing.
[35:32] Then we inherited the book to whom We chose from Our servants so of them is he who makes his soul to suffer a loss, and of them is he who takes a middle course, and of them is he who is foremost in deeds of goodness by Allah’s permission; this is the great excellence.

Allah swt is saying that he revealed the book to Our Prophet (pbuh&f) and then His chosen servants inherited it. And there are no Prophets after our Prophet, so it has to be some people amongst the Muslims who inherited the book.

Bhai Shaib, you do know that Prophet Muhammad had other daughters as well...right. How come they are excluded from this exclusive club? Or is it that you include only those who help further your agenda?

Bhai Sahab, I didn't decide it Allah did. Please raise it to the right station for the answer.

where did allah decided show me.

Please bother to scroll through and you will that teh purified (Masoom) souls along with the Prophet SAW are only Fatima, Ali, Hassan and Hussain.

It does not include any other children (btw Fatimah(AS) is the only child which had offspring) or his wives.

You can argue all you want to but this is beyond debate....

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^So Imam ZainulAbidin and Imam Jafar Sadiq are not Ahle-bait, agreed!

They are on account of being Imam, but it is pointless discussing that since you do not subscribe to the Imamat concept. Lets discuss who was Ahle Bayt from those immediately around the Prophet (SAW) and once we agree on that, things will become clearer and easier for you to comprehend.

already prooved that such ayah was reveilled for mothers of ummah and from start to end speaks about mothers of ummah.

where quran says that hz. ali ra and his family are ahlul bait.

show me

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^ lol you are now going to the other extreme ....if Ali and his sons are not ahlulbayt then who is ?

just because of your hatred of 12ers dont downgrade the status of banu abdul muttalib

it boils down to infallibility and in whose progeny imamate was subsequently transfered as believed by 12ers

many hussanid imams are not "imams" per 12ers
none of the hassanid imams are "imams"
and other sons of Ali never ever in the counting.
progeny of abbass got booted out of ahlulbayt when differneces between shia factions flared after the revolution against ummayyads.( although it has be said very few abbassid were worthy of it )

Things are very clear to me.

The whole point of Ahle-Bait debate is for purpose of succession and if Ahle-Bait status of subsequent generations of Imam Hassan and Hussain is not proved by Quran and Hadith then there is no need for discussion. Coz i am not objecting on Imam Hassan and Hussain being Ahle-Bait.

what are you talking about, this is not my verdit this is quran, and also why you did not use word "imam" for other sons of hz. ali ra why only two and also there are many offsprings of your socalled imams why all are not imam.

also give me producedure of selecting imam from quran and sunna, also give me reason why shia religion divided into further sect some says he is imam and some says he is imam (zaidi, gali, tubrai, 12er, bhories, aga khanies ect)

Umer Bro, that is the fundamental problem Imam's are appointed by Allah , not selected by men. This is the point that was missed by the majority of Muslims.

There is no such thing as a shia religion. Anybody who believed in the fact that it was Ali's right to succeed is a shia-e-Ali.

The true fiqh is Fiqh Jafaria and that is the fiqh of true Ahl-e-sunnat, and all that oppose the Fiqh Jafaria collectively call themselves as Ahl-e-Sunnat wal jamaat. This is the only real definition of Ahl-e-sunnat wal jamaat.

In terms of Fiqh there are four main fiqh in this jamaat and then 10s of further subdivisions. The positions of each of these fiqhs are at times diagrametically opposed like on divorce, etc.

There are dozens of flavors like ahl-e-hadees, barelvi, deobandi, salafi, wahabi, takfiri, tableeghi, etc etc

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umer2008 can u find me one scholar who excludes ali & his sons from ahlulbayt ?

very very funny imams appointed by allah even 12 imams are fail to perform their duties, wow, if your beliefs are true why quran is slient about this most important issue.

what is procedure that you acertain that he is imam and he is not since we saw when some one from this family died ppls divided some says he is imam some says fist son is imam some says brother is imam why so much conterversal also did they get message (wahi) from allah that you are imam (even not body announced such fake beliefs)

if ali ra was succesor why he ra did not struggled against ppls who did not support them.

prove me fiqh of jafferya exist, since not preached by hz. jaffer-e-saddiq rah himself and also tell me how completted this fiq.

for your information, we have only for madhab hanafi, shafai, maliki, and hambuli, and also gheer muqlid called ahlul hadith.

brailvi and deobandi practicing same school of thought i.e. hanafi.
salafi/wahabies are not sect.
tablighi are part of deoband group.

, where did i said that i am excluding these person, you i totally agreed on ali jan 1001 statement "who are ahlul bait".

i consider all 18 sons of hz. ali ra as ahlul bait but they are not masooms.

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where quran says that hz. ali ra and his family are ahlul bait.

show me
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all banu abdul muttalib are ahlulbayt , but status of 5 is different
no one is infallible

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Dont know about the first four pages, but the Ahlul Bayt(as) according to my view are those told to us by the Prophet (saw) repeatedly. It does not include wives, grand daughters, or anyone else, just a select few whom the prophet named, who were under the cover when ayah tatheer was revealed by H. Jibreal, and upon whose door the Prophet (saw) knocked on every morning for 6 months after, reading the ayah tatheer. The rest is just people's own interpretation based on thier whims and desires, in an attempt to ignore and undermine the Prophet (saw) actions.

Just my two cents.

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so family of abbass, jafar and aqeel were NOT ahlulbayt ?
leave the wives /honorary members out of this for the time being

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Prophet not only told the people who the chosen Ahlul Bayt are but practically demonstrated it by taken them all to the Mubahila against the Christians of Najran. Unfortunately however people still like to argue and create confusion.

Ahlul Bayt are the Ahlul Kissa. The chosen people for whom the verse of purification came.

Narrated Aisha:
One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."
Sunni reference:

Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61.