Prophet not only told the people who the chosen Ahlul Bayt are but practically demonstrated it by taken them all to the Mubahila against the Christians of Najran. Unfortunately however people still like to argue and create confusion.
Ahlul Bayt are the Ahlul Kissa. The chosen people for whom the verse of purification came.
Narrated Aisha:
One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."
Sunni reference:
Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61.
for your information at the time of mubahila only hz. fatima ra was alive and all remaining three doughter of propphet pbuh not alive at that time, so you argument is like your fake and fabricated religion.
and for your information hadith-e-kisa further clearify that these members of also ahlul bait, as per quran ahlul bait are wives of prophet pbuh also such hadith were narrated throught more that one wives.
also like ayah of wadu it does not make any one masoom.
so family of abbass, jafar and aqeel were NOT ahlulbayt ?
leave the wives /honorary members out of this for the time being
NO. Neither were Imam Ali (as) daughters Bibi zainab, Umm Kulthum, nor his children from other wives, including Hazrat Abbas, nor the following Imams (as) mother, brothers and sisters.
It was only and only who the Prophet and the Imam of the time designated when the Prophet (saw) passed away. That is why we have 14. The Prophet (saw), Imam Ali, Bibi Fatima, (sa) and the 12 Imams (as).
If every decendant of the Prophet (saw) was included, then does that mean the sadaat folk today are ahl ul bayt, and whom you have to have to follow?
for your information at the time of mubahila only hz. fatima ra was alive and all remaining three doughter of propphet pbuh not alive at that time, so you argument is like your fake and fabricated religion
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pindi: so where were the wives at the time? more importantly, where were the first best man and second best man in the ummah at time? why did the Prophet(saw) not think to take them along?
NO. Neither were Imam Ali (as) daughters Bibi zainab, Umm Kulthum, nor his children from other wives, including Hazrat Abbas, nor the following Imams (as) mother, brothers and sisters.
It was only and only who the Prophet and the Imam of the time designated when the Prophet (saw) passed away. That is why we have 14. The Prophet (saw), Imam Ali, Bibi Fatima, (sa) and the 12 Imams (as).
If every decendant of the Prophet (saw) was included, then does that mean the sadaat folk today are ahl ul bayt, and whom you have to have to follow?
that is the official 12er dogma i know ...thats why its impossible to reason with people like u as u rigidly cling to ur version without even acknowledging the existence of other versions.
but in historical records ahlulbayt refered to banu abdul muttalib ...obviously u guys want to weed out other mujahids of ahlulbayt ( e.g zayd b ali, yahya b zaid, nafs zakaiya etc) from this club of 14 thats why u only call 14 of them ahlulbayt
plus when alids drifted apart from abbassids then banu abbas were also excluded from ahlulbayt
really, if we wanted to pick and choose, we would have also included bibi zainab, umm kulthum, bibi khadija, hazrat abu talib, hazrat abbas, the lot, theres no shortages. But that not how the system works, you either obey the Prophet (saw) and the Imams, or you undermine them and choose your own.
Theres plenty of ahadith that indicate clearly who the Ahlul bayt were. When ayah tatheer was revealed, when mubahila took place, and the simple act of the Prophet (saw) of going pass Imam Ali (as) and bibi Fatimas door, every morning at fajr, and reading the ayah tatheer loudly....for about 6 months after the ayah was revealed. Why do folks tend to ignore and undermine the prophet (saw) when it goes against their wishes? Is that really your idea of submission?
But that not how the system works, you either obey the Prophet (saw) and the Imams, or you undermine them and choose your own.
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no one is knowingly disobeying the prophet but we all have our own versions of his obedience
atleast acknowledge that before jumping to conclusions
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Theres plenty of ahadith that indicate clearly who the Ahlul bayt were
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u mean the 14 ? in sunni sources or historical records which are not 12er ?
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When ayah tatheer was revealed, when mubahila took place, and the simple act of the Prophet (saw) of going pass Imam Ali (as) and bibi Fatimas door, every morning at fajr, and reading the ayah tatheer loudly....for about 6 months after the ayah was revealed.
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who is denying the merits of ali hasan & hussain and fatima there are numerous merits of them acknowledged by all except the nawasib ....u treat anyone who differs with your version of ahlulbayt as they are enemies of prophet and his progeny ....
Dude if youre gonna believe in folks who imprisoned, reviled and oppressed the Ahl ul bayt throughout their lives, then on what basis are you claiming to be followers of the Ahl? isnt there a word for that kind of behaviour?
secondly: the hadith of ahlulbayt (14) are numerous and pretty straight forward, but if folks what to add and take things away just so it suits their view... then that is knowingly ignorant. unknowingly i can understand but knowingly is something else.
^well, he claims that the Holy Quran and the Prophet have not left a clear system of guidance (despite a clear verse in the Quran declaring the deen to be perfect). He has reserved all the benefits of the doubt for the enemies of the Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt, and all his doubts seem targeted at the actual progeny of the Prophet. To top it all, he says he is a lover of the Ahlul Bayt and is also an active member of the Shiachat. So, Insha Allah, i certainly hope Allah make the truth clear for him, and if he is meant to and Allah wills it. then he will for sure get there, Insha Allah :)
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Dude if youre gonna believe in folks who imprisoned, reviled and oppressed the Ahl ul bayt throughout their lives, then on what basis are you claiming to be followers of the Ahl? isnt there a word for that kind of behaviour?
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lol okay u now ur gonna give me the formula argument for nawasib
tell me which person who "imprisoned, reviled and oppressed" ahlulbayt do i follow ? are u hinting at ummayyads ?
and dont tell me the "umar kicked the pregnant fatima to death" story
as there are so many flaws in it that i dont know where to start
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secondly: the hadith of ahlulbayt (14) are numerous and pretty straight forward
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jabir b samura's hadith of 12 successors ?
or are there more ? i will honestly look at them if can point them out which hadith say that ahulbayt are exclusively these 14 people
Das, Umar kicking the daughter of the Prophet is a doubtful event and said to be that by some of the top Shia scholars too. But him burning the house and doing all sorts of machoman things is not so doubtful. Now, i will leave it at this or Iconoclast will delete this post too.
He has reserved all the benefits of the doubt for the enemies of the Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt, and all his doubts seem targeted at the actual progeny of the Prophet.
lol okay u now ur gonna give me the formula argument for nawasib
tell me which person who "imprisoned, reviled and oppressed" ahlulbayt do i follow ? are u hinting at ummayyads ?
and dont tell me the "umar kicked the pregnant fatima to death" story
as there are so many flaws in it that i dont know where to start
really? i wasnt talking about any one event, but you start some where, what are these flaws?
dude start with the one you mentioned? or maybe saqifah? or the fights against Imam ALi? the fidak taken from bibi fatima. khilafah snatched from Imam Hassan, Imam Hussain killed by yazid, Imam sajjad dragged thorugh streets syria and kufa...the other imams imprisoned and killed....is that enough for you to work on?
dude start with the one you mentioned? or maybe saqifah? or the fights against Imam ALi? the fidak taken from bibi fatima. khilfafah snatched from Imam Hassan, Imam Hussain killed by yazid, Imam sajjad...is that enough for you to work on?
u probably are not familiar with my position on these issues at all thats why u bring such stale arguments ....
all your arguments seem straight out of Tijani-esque book so i wont bother wasting my breath on them, as i have already discussed them in great detail with others.
your list of accusations seem to indicate as if i support enemies of sayyidna ali and the ummayyads find me one evidence of that ? and ur simplistic approach is that u equate events of saqifa with first civil war and beyond
if u want i can recommend books for u to read by objective authors on these events but if u want to be brainwashed by the Hawzah thats ur choice