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Yeh and I just landed from mars.. I was being sarcastic .. But oh mighty spocky brain !
It's the racism he spouts that makes him this way. People like him are never ashamed of calling anyone a "kaala" naag. And that is precisely the definition of racism.
These people live in Western countries but have selectively discarded some of the good practices of Western world. If these people had used similar words in the US then they would have been labeled neo-Nazis.
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If only the security or law enforcement agencies could be controlled by local political parties. 
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That reminds me of that thread by Lex Luthor (or something) which went like Pashtuns are now the majority in Karachi. These haters of Urdu speakers want to have their cake and eat it too.
Here is the link to that thread: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/460262-karachi-now-the-largest-pashtun-speaking-city.html
I say this over and over again. These people use MQM’s name to abuse every Urdu speaker. Their hatred is not just towards MQM but towards all of Urdu speakers.
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this is not about laying blame.....this is about silencing those mouths that continually claim they have made Karachi better. Karachi is not better.
And who are YOU to judge it? Ask any Karachiite. Karachi IS better, and there is no question that it was Mustafa Kamal who did it.
That's a fact. Whether one likes Mustafa Kamal or his party is not the question.
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I prefer the Karachi without fly-overs and without lighting.....but with peace.
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Here you are agreeing whole-heartedly that Karachi is better only due to MQM. So what "mouth" are you planning to silence, if you are yourself agreeing with those "mouths"?
And 'peace'. Who told you only MQM is responsible for peace? Ever heard of ANP and People's Amn Committee from gangs of Lyari?
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khoji are you still here or banned for eternity ?
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Isn't it hard to enforce the law when the public has better weaponry than the police force? How do you expect them to enforce the law?
Then why not provide better equipment to them? Give them better training, better equipment and of course they will need back up/support from the government when they catch a high profile criminal.
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I think blaming ANY political party to security situation is unfair.
Police is appointed by the administration.
Administration would be happy to send some lunatic to kill more citizens in the name of ‘crushing’ a party, but has never done anything to reform one the most corrupted institution like police.
Crimes occur for two reasons.
Criminals finding ways to to commit crimes when no one is there to stop.
OR
When those who are suppose to stop crime themselves sit on their ‘whatever’ when they know crimes are prevalent in ANY area. Rishwat is prevalent.
Criminals are encouraged. Both political parties and citizens are fearful.
One can give all the great equipments to police, it takes will and courage too, to fight criminals.
After countless of these crimes, how many times it is shown that criminals have actually been caught and punished?
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Yes, the attitude of many towards MQM is basically feelings directed towards urdu speakers couched with a view towards (im)plausible deniability. Yes urdu-speakers are stigmatized, and there is much racism going on in this thread too by the usual suspects. Yes, I've experienced the same on this board and off it. That much is granted.
But lets not let MQM off the hook just because we dont want to be associated with racists. For who is worse, people who are racists, or people who exploit that racism in order to exploit us? MQM is patently a racist organization furthering the agenda of a particular ethnicity. That is unseemly for a group of people who claim to have come over because they loved the idea of this country. Wheres the nationalism? MQM is patently a terrorist organization... just because others are involved (and they are) is no defence for them against the charge of terrorism. MQM is patently involved in organized crime... as a karachiite I can vouch that my family has been affected by MQM's bhattakhori, and I already gave the example of my relative.
If we keep pointing to others and saying look at Nawaz Sharif hes like that or look at falana he does stuff too, what hope is there to progress beyond these ethnic divides? Let the racists spout their racism, condemn whats wrong on those who use your identity for criminal purposes and move on. The racists cant do anything to you, but if you diminish or justify the crimes of racist terrorists you are definitely harming yourself.
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No support for MQM per se.
But blaming someone else other than the real culprit for security situaion will not solve th security issue.
One can bash this party all one can, fine, but least one should be fair in condemnation. That's all.
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I think its fair to say that MQM are responsible for creating or atleast sustaining an environment of organized crime from undeniable things like bhatta (known as the protection racket for mafia parallels) to perhaps local things like organized theft (including mobile phone snatching). since they are involved in these crimes, their local administration is hardly capable of solving these crimes, whatever the competence of higher level administrations.
This is aside from the question of killing people from other ethnic groups. I am an urdu speaker, I come from an area where there are tit-for-tat 'target' killings, and I know that people from 'our' side go to 'their' areas to kill 'them' on presumed 'revenge' missions. that is indefensibly ugly. And I do not need someone to condemn the other side in order to condemn my own.
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So if these robbers are caught and punished, don't we think the security would be better?
Who is responsible if MQM or any other party is involved?
Most of these street robbers have small gun to harrass people, and they do it in broad day light too.
Pass the law for shoot at sight if someone harrasses on gunpoint (Yeah right). Betchya, that would stop a lot of these petty crimes.
Citizens fear even going to police since next day robbers will be back and cause more destrction!
One cannot even register FIR let alone get justice.
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@Spock you have rights to call a person name which suits you and whatever u wana say about MQM just add a name before it like this Oh manhoos late Ameerul Munafeqeen Zia what u did to Karachi and create a great mess forever just for your dirty desires and still N$ your remain black shadow among us keeping eyes to ruin our country more.
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Like I have said earlier, MQM is not all “farishton ki jamaat”. Similar to Nawaz league, ANP, PPP, etc. MQM needs reforms. And in my view an important reform would be to get rid of Altaf Hussain (a seemingly impossible task).
But no matter how much anyone hates Urduspeakers or MQM, there is no denying fact that MQM is the only party which has changed the face of Karachi. No matter how politically incorrect some of Mustafa Kamal’s statements may be , it is still the fact that he worked tirelessly to work for the betterment of Karachi’s citizens.
Had there been no MQM, Karachi would have been no different from Hyderabad, which used to be the third largest city in Pakistan. But thanks to racially biased policies of successive governments, Hyderabad at one time became more like a big village instead of a city. (It has only changed for better now).
One more example, the only party still pushing the mass transit project is MQM.
The MQM had raised the issue of Karachi Mass Transit Project through a call attention notice in the National Assembly on Thursday by raising questions why the project was kept pending when the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) was ready for funding and even the Railways Ministry was also supporting the project.
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Hina Rabbani said at present the JICA was carrying out the assessment and feasibility study of the project, which was likely to be completed by June this year. “After that, JICA’s study for corridors of funding for the project would start. It would enable us to start work on the project, which is worth over one billion US dollars,” she said.
However,** the question of MQM legislators remained unanswered, who repeatedly asked how many feasibility reports will be made**.
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They have killed more people in target killings in the past few months than the suicide bombings up north combined,
You believe in that maniac Mirza's statement so much?
The fact is that target killings were being done by all parties, including ANP, MQM and PPP's Lyari gangs. And it resulted in killings of people of all ethnicities.
So putting all of that blame on just one party shows your bias.
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and all those muggers of karachi - other than the fact that they also speak urdu just like ALtaf Hussain, what other indication do they give that they are MQM worker? Do they carry MQM flag with them or do they shout Jiye Altaaf after every mugging?
If you can get your snatched mobiles back if you have contacts with 'sector incharge' of MQM in the area, it is a pretty good indication of what goes on.
Not saying MQM is responsible for ALL crime but there is a huge anecdotal evidence that the party is responsible for starting and promoting this criminal culture. We just need to see sources of MQM's funding to substantiate where the bhatta and extortion money goes. The party claims to representative of middle class of Karachi but if you look at funding required for only the posters and banners of Altaf bhai in different parts of the city, you can guess that it is much more than can be sourced through 'donations' from the people it purports to represent. You only have to look at genesis of the party to see how they want to operate.
Parties like PML and PPP have their 'sources of income' through white collar crime, agricultural land holdings, industries etc. These land holdings and industries flourish through corruption, and we do have hundreds of threads here condemning that corruption. Why is it irritable for people when MQM is condemned for their illegal sources of income which at times results in loss of life as a by-product?
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If you can get your snatched mobiles back if you have contacts with 'sector incharge' of MQM in the area, it is a pretty good indication of what goes on.
This is just another 'anecdotal' account.
My cousin's cell phone was snatched in Sindh Univeristy by Sindhi speaking people. And there are many articles about Talibanic extremists involved in bank robberies and other robberies in Karachi.
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The perception that the MQM is behind targeted killings needs serious review as the highest numbers of people targeted are from the MQM, but being the largest stakeholder in Karachi, the MQM needs to seriously introspect and put a cap on its workers too and show more responsibility. After all, the MQM’s interests are hurt when Karachi gets disrupted.
Gang wars in Lyari are a major concern as these have only recently taken a new turn where Nabeel Gabol, the MNA from the area, is finding it difficult to maintain Lyari as his stronghold post-Rehman Dakait. Lyari is a cash cow because of its drug dens and extortion rackets. The conflict in Lyari is now between Nabeel Gabol versus another member of the PPP, which has resulted in more targeting deaths.
Then there is the sectarian dimension. The monster of sectarian killings has once again raised its head as more internally displaced persons (IDPs) and runaway Taliban, who have a strong nexus with madrassas, arrived in Karachi. There are plans to restructure Sipah-e-Sahaba, while the increasingly militant Imamia Students Organisations (ISO), a force comprising Shia youth, is not helping things.
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...My cousin's cell phone was snatched in Sindh Univeristy by Sindhi speaking people.......
Just a clarification question. A Sindhi speaking person cannot be MQM member?
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So you think all these crimes were committed by MQM and the sons of people who came from India? Are we the worst people in this country?
FFS, stop playing the victim card already. No one gives a flying **** where your dada was from so get the **** over it.
As for the OP, I agree it is the responsibility of the ruling govt to maintain law and order and uphold justice, so the blame here does fall with MQM and everything is not fine and dandy and progressive as they like to portray. However if while we're blaming them we might as well blame all the provincial governments, since street crime exists in every city it isn't fair just to blame the MQM. I hate the MQM btw, poor victims of racism that they are. pffft.
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If its all about votes (if your political success should be determined by the votes that you get) then Immi bhai should resign from the politics/
MQM had a 2.8% of the total vote in Pakistan, whereas the PTI had 0.5% of the total vote in Pakistan, in the 2002 elections. Keep in mind Imran's party is still relatively new, and does not have the same resources as the MQM because of the bhatta and overseas remittances they get. Imran's popularity is increasing whereas the MQM with its present support for the Govt is making things worse for them. Farooq Sattar almost lost his seat last time.