Whats with the Barailvies??

[NomiCA]

Re: Whats with the Barailvies??

No idea who the Barelivis are. Looks like they are playing "cheap Bollywood tunes". One person's trash is another's treasure.

On a different note, there are morning calls for prayer blaring out loud in certain regions that do distirb one's sleep on a daily basis. Whether it be daily call for Namaaz or Suprabhatham being aired loudly, I am against it. You want to pray, do it in provate - no need to announce it daily (and loudly)

azaan and its sound is accepted by all muslims of whatever sect.....and its only 2-3 minutes at most......as opposed to hours of loud songy'ish so called naats.

and i am talking about pakistan here........its a specific issue that you don't know anything about..

PS...... if you don't know about what is being talked about......... just go and champion gay penguins rights...would you?

@BarbieCue

One could argue that the younger lot relates better to the bollywood tune naats so no harm done if they manage to spark love for naats in someone and bring them closer to Allah. Some of us didn't understand why you need to whirl to feel closer to God, some felt it was a form of meditation that really helps. Always two sides to a coin. Ab kya sahi hai kya ghalat hai... that depends on what school of thought you choose to follow.

well....for the sake of argument....lets assume i am ''younger lot" ......i have listened to lots of songs and bollywood and whatnot..........
what happens when some song tune naat is being sung?........ the song comes to my mind.......the tune reminds you of bollywood song, the movie, the scene rather than taking you towards allah........

its ok if you want to be entertained by songs with halaal stamp on them...........but its not getting closer to allah for sure.........

and secondly....... the above reply was only for the specific point you raised........

the main point i wanted to raise was......... disturbing the peace of mind of whole neighborhood and violating their 'huqooq-ul-ibaad' with a religous justification..........

i don't give a 'profinity word' about what people do within their homes quietly.......they can listen to whatever they want , dance/whirl all they want........as long as they are not blocking the road and torturing people's ear drums.........

[waleedhbk]

Re: Whats with the Barailvies??

Pakistan mein jis ka dil krta hai bahir roads block kr kay Mehfil krwata hai ya shadi dun care about neighbours and full awaz mein music lgaya hota hai

[ninja_hattori]

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Aha! A Barelvi Clan Ninja! Thats a first. I just imagined you in blacks with a green pagri carrying a ninjato :DAs for the younger lot relating to Bollywood tunes, well, shouldn't the imams moon-walk their way to the front and do a couple of MJ moves so they might attract the younger lot to the masjid? And perhaps do a head-stand in the sajda. Some things are just disrespectful, one ought to realize that.

what r u suggesting that being barelvi is wrong or what?

if u read my post u will know that m not supporting bollywood tune naat,nasheeds .........

so y r u suggesting green pagri and all that....
is it compulsory for every barelvi to wear green amama

[Southie]

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[Southie]

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off topic

The point I was trying to make was we all tolerate and even welcome certain types of loud announcements but God forbid, if the anouncements do not match our likes, we rail against them.

On topic now?

[Catskin]

Re: Whats with the Barailvies??

The point I was trying to make was we all tolerate and even welcome certain types of loud announcements but God forbid, if the anouncements do not match our likes, we rail against them.

On topic now?

Nomi already explained it well.

[yeswekhan]

Re: Whats with the Barailvies??

It just shows how badly they want to be able to listen to Bollywood music, making it 'halal' for themselves. You either listen to music or you don't, don't go about prancing about like a righteous molvi when the naats you listen to are practically bollywood love songs.

[Monk]

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Some one needs to tell them its ok to sing songs. They don't have to call them na'at.
Music is ok.

[ninja_hattori]

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majority muslim terrorists all over universe belongs to a specific school of thought.....

so can i run a thread posting wt with ............?

is it allowed?

[yeswekhan]

Re: Whats with the Barailvies??

^Exactly. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert here or anything but it's a natural fact that music is pleasant on the ears and everyone wants to listen to it. It's also a fact that music isn't categorically forbidden anywhere in the Quran. Just listen to actual music once in a while and spare us the bollynaats will ya.

[STA]

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^Exactly. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert here or anything but it's a natural fact that music is pleasant on the ears and everyone wants to listen to it. It's also a fact that music isn't categorically forbidden anywhere in the Quran. Just listen to actual music once in a while and spare us the bollynaats will ya.

i need your references.

[yeswekhan]

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i need your references.

I'll let my former boss know.

[muqawwee123]

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@STA

i need your references.

STA,its other way round. You should bring the evidence, where it is forbidden. I’m not expert on the matter, but I found verse 6 of Surah Luqman (Chapter 31) dealing with matter:

He connect that with mention of the doomed, those who turn away from the Qur’an and do not benefit from hearing the Words of Allah. Instead, they turn to listening to flutes and singing accompanied by musical instruments. As Ibn Mas`ud commented about the Ayah:

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk (Lahw Al-Hadith) to mislead from the path of Allah without knowledge.

Qatadah said:

"By Allah, he may not spend money on it, but his purchasing it means he likes it, and the more misguided he is, the more he likes it and the more he prefers falsehood to the truth and harmful things over beneficial things.‘’

          It was said that what is        meant by the words          **يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ الْحَدِيث**        (purchases idle talks) is buying singing servant girls.

Ibn Jarir said that it means all speech that hinders people from seeing the signs of Allah and following His path.

[http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir Ibn Kathir/031 Luqman.htm](http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir Ibn Kathir/031 Luqman.htm)

[McPendo]

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@BarbieCue

One could argue that the younger lot relates better to the bollywood tune naats so no harm done if they manage to spark love for naats in someone and bring them closer to Allah. Some of us didn't understand why you need to whirl to feel closer to God, some felt it was a form of meditation that really helps. Always two sides to a coin. Ab kya sahi hai kya ghalat hai... that depends on what school of thought you choose to follow.

You can't compare Rumi's immaculate love for God and his wisdom of Sufism to the cheap Bollywood type Naats that are devoid of any meaning of the Love of God. Read Rumi's poetry and then Read these cheap naats then ask yourself which one draws you nearer?

[khattichic]

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@Mad_Hatter

I went to a wedding once where they were playing naats to the tune of ‘Tu Cheez bari hai mast mast’, couldn’t believe my ears.
It was the highlight of the wedding I tell you

Not to mention all that gangsta rap style nasheeds…

**O-M-G **

[khattichic]

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@muqawwee123

NomiCA bro. my grandfather family suffers a lot for almost 2.5 months due to majlis at nearest Imam Bargah due to this loudspeakers trend. I think there should be ban on use of loud speakers.

Disco nasheed aur naat se yad aya:

There is a famous naat on the tune of Lata ji song ’ Tum hi meri duniya tu hi devta hai’.

AND… These infamous already posted on GS

wow, i must be living under a rock or something..i have NEVER heard these before!!! don’t have much of this going on in our neck of the woods (texas). 'effing ridiculous!

[TLK]

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@Mad_Hatter

I went to a wedding once where they were playing naats to the tune of ‘Tu Cheez bari hai mast mast’, couldn’t believe my ears..

I just want to clarify that ‘Tu Cheez bari hai mast mast’, was a cheap imitation of a very famous religious qawwali of Nusrat Fateh Ali. I dont know of Nasheed that you are talking about but if you never heard, then please listen to this beautiful piece by NFK

[Beststarter]

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^^Yep that's what I was talking about in my post earlier

Some one needs to tell them its ok to sing songs. They don't have to call them na'at. Music is ok.

I totally agree. A lot of times what happens when I'm talking to a so-called "religious person" and I will mention naat or hamd but instead call it a song (I mean, really... that's what a naat is... a devotional song, or hymn just you are attaching an Arabic word to it rather than just calling it a 'song') and they will correct me immediately and say that it's not a song. There really is no difference... the human voice is just another instrument instrument anyway.

As far as 'bollynaats' being disrespectful because they remind the person of the scene rather than Allah, that's definitely debatable. Sound happens to be the sense that is second-most connected with memory (after smell), and it so happens that music is based on perceived consonance created by the frequency intervals of pitches sounding in succession. Most songs, whether the tune is explicitly based on a bollywood song or is some original naat composition, will be based on these basic keys and scales for which everyone will have associated different memories based on their experiences. There is no guarantee that whether the "naat" is composed to the tune of a bollywood song or not, the person will refrain from thinking about a memory which is irrelevant to religion. I think that just depends entirely on the persons intentions for listening to the "naat" in the first place.

[BarbieCue]

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its ok if you want to be entertained by songs with halaal stamp on them...........but its not getting closer to allah for sure.........

the main point i wanted to raise was......... disturbing the peace of mind of whole neighborhood and violating their 'huqooq-ul-ibaad' with a religous justification..........

I'm not halalifying any bollywood tune naats neither am I a fan of the trend.

Your point is noted and agreed with.

You can't compare Rumi's immaculate love for God and his wisdom of Sufism to the cheap Bollywood type Naats that are devoid of any meaning of the Love of God. Read Rumi's poetry and then Read these cheap naats then ask yourself which one draws you nearer?

Sufism takes the cake for me. Bollywood naats could top the list for someone else. May be you and I find them cheap and start thinking of bollywood scenes upon listening to these naats, but someone else could find total peace and harmony in these nasheeds. T'is all I'm saying.

[Altair]

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@ninja_hattori

what r u suggesting that being barelvi is wrong or what?

if u read my post u will know that m not supporting bollywood tune naat,nasheeds …

so y r u suggesting green pagri and all that…
is it compulsory for every barelvi to wear green amama

Oh jeez no man! You took it way too negative. Honestly I am not even sure if its them green pagri blokes that are Barelvis or what. Never taken much interest into this whole sect business, never been a point of interest really. If you are a barelvi, much respect. If you aren’t, well, just as good.

Alright I don’t mean to offend anyone, but the last time I was visiting home I saw this TV channel these green pagri peeps have going. Man that stuff was funny to say the least. But then again, in the wise words of Rocky Bilboa, “people do what they wanna do”. Its all good bro, all good. :k: