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Didnt mean to un-like it. FYI
sorry …
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Awe hae @Royal_Gala I know you unliked purposely evil eyes
Back to the topic: I always considered Canada as a peaceloving country with people having utmost respect for immigrants and multiple ethnicities as well as religion. I saw ladies in full-clad burqa in Toronto’s walmart.
Since when it turned all evil?
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Lol, I'm warming up to niqab as my Halloween costume, opps did I say that out loud
Re: What's going on in Canada?
So what's with all these people ganging up on LP and accusing her of lies? I can't vouch for Riyadh but I've spent several years in Jeddah (and Makkah) in the past decade-- women do not have to cover their face. You will also see some women with their heads uncovered. They have become more lax about this than they were back in the 80s/early 90s. Lived in Jeddah for 6 years--never came across a single muttawa.
And an abaya is simply a black cloak you wear over your regular outfit (which women wear over anything they like), sort of like those robes the characters in the Harry Potter movies wore. It is different from the hijab or niqab.
As for the issue at hand--it doesn't matter if many Muslims feel the niqab is not a requirement. As long as a woman personally believes it is so, she should be allowed to wear it if she likes during the citizenship ceremony. YOU CANNOT FORCE A WOMAN TO REMOVE ANY ARTICLE OF CLOTHING SHE IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITHOUT (as long as her clothing does not harm anyone else around her). Identification is a non-issue--they check for that before she takes her Citizenship Vows. The niqab is also very uncommon in Canada--only a tiny percentage of Canadian Muslim women actually wear the niqab. The hullaballoo being raised by the Conservative Party about this is downright ridiculous. You'd think this was the biggest problem facing Canada right now.
PM Harper is just trying to pander to the bigots that make up at least a significant portion of the Conservative Party voter base.
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So what's with all these people ganging up on LP and accusing her of lies?
Nobody is accusing anyone of anything. Its just a conversation and one poster was ascertaining if its a lie or no. I'm quite sure LP understands it very well.
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The SA posts are quite interesting! Has defo changed my mind ... wouldn't mind living there if the only requirement was abaya/loosely covering hair.
Anyhow .. in regards to the Canada stuff... it's def. political but i kind of feel like for official government stuff women in niqab should be more cooperative rather than making it a religious freedom thing. Niqab and hijab are different - she can still wear a hijab at her oath ceremony (right?). If you believe niqab is compulsory, even Islamic law states allowance to show one's face for security/official government stuff.
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^ Re last sentence the face is shown for security related issues.
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^ Right, so showing one's face at an oath ceremony can fall under that category. It's not an oath to eat maple syrup and say "eh" - it's an official vow/statement to which one is bound by law. It's quite serious.. i'm not sure but unless u have some terrible stuff occur to u, the oath is necessary to get citizenship. I feel like bringing up the niqab excuse is kinda lame given that they're still allowed to wear the headscarf... but face showing is necessary.
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During Hajj, a women is not allowed to cover her face with niqab or a seperate cloth...and gloves are not allowed either, she may use the sleeves of her abaya to pull down if she feels more comfortable, but her hands must be visible as well, correct? So if niqab is not part of Ihram during the holiest of our pillars of Islam, when women are literally praying next to strange men and 3 billion other strangers daily, then why is it being made such an big deal that niqab is not being allowed during and oath ceremony or drivers license/ID picture. It makes zero sense to me.
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^ theres a hadith regarding how to cover the face narrated from ayesha Radi Allah ta'alla anha, anyways as far as i know theres a difference of opinion regarding covering face, so she might be following the one who says its obligation(i too believe it). Second thing i know we here in islamic country we have to show face for id picture, passport picture and also for hajj umrah for any visa, so if thats the country law to show face, one should fulfil the rights of that country, if you feel like you are disobeying Allah by fulfiling their rights or rules then you are supposed to leave the country to save your deen, this is my own opinion. Like people of makkah migrated to habasha.
Allah knows best. May Allah make deen easy for us Allahuma Ameen
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During Hajj, a women is not allowed to cover her face with niqab or a seperate cloth...and gloves are not allowed either, she may use the sleeves of her abaya to pull down if she feels more comfortable, but her hands must be visible as well, correct? So if niqab is not part of Ihram during the holiest of our pillars of Islam, when women are literally praying next to strange men and 3 billion other strangers daily, then why is it being made such an big deal that niqab is not being allowed during and oath ceremony or drivers license/ID picture. It makes zero sense to me.
In the state of ihram even marital relation is forbidden.
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Is it not possible to have a female officer cross check the lady with her ID and once it's clear it is her, then allow her to go for the oath ceremony in naqab? No security risks. Both sides happy.
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no one mess with LP !
I came here because of Canada, I don't see canada
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Of course you don't see canada. In your own words, you came here to see Canada.
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What does that have to do with the point I was making? 
I’m trying to draw a correlation between laws/rules/protocol and niqab.
I just feel like if you’re Muslim, and you don’t agree with the ban on niqab during an Oath Ceremony or ID picture, while living in a non-Muslim country, then maybe you shouldn’t be living there. And I feel the same way about this push to declare Eid as a school/national holiday in America…why? We already miss school and take a personal day for religious observance without it count it against attendance so why the need to have it as a day off for Non Muslims? What will that accomplish?
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Naqab is a big deal for women who believe it to be compulsory. The state of ihram is an exceptional state which cannot be used to belittle the importance of naqab for that womam in this stance. My example was to point out the state of ihram being exceptional.
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Naqab is a big deal for women who believe it to be compulsory. The state of ihram is an exceptional state which cannot be used to belittle the importance of naqab for that womam in this stance. My example was to point out the state of ihram being exceptional.
I'm not belittling anything. Where did I make fun of niqab anywhere in my post? And my using Ihram as an example to prove my point is very much relevant. Islam is a very simple religion with clear guidelines. It's we Muslims who complicate things to suit our own agenda.
My point, which I stand by, is that Non Muslims who live in the Middle East or other Muslim countries are expected to live and abide by the law of the land, then shouldn't the same be expected of Muslims living in the West/Non Muslim counties? No one is saying you can't do niqab...what's being said is during an official swearing in ceremony where your identity must be verified by the person officiating, your face cannot be covered. Now if that 10 minute ceremony takes place in a public environment that is a mixed environment, I don't see how this is an affront to the Muslim religion.
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Of course you don't see canada. In your own words, you came here to see Canada.
people disliking this. just deplorable