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Well i hope they catch you too. But then again you are one of those “brave” people who have run off abroad and only now are getting enough balls to spew their BS.
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Let me attempt to show the dichotomy of the east and west, when a child is born here the parents, the society, the schools and most environmental factors attempt to fill the childs head with love, kindness, love for animals, humans, equality and respect of others beliefs. Over there they fill the childs head with hatred for Jews, Nassarah, Shias, Ahmadis, Wahabis, Hindus, Mohajirs, Sindhis Americans etc. The parents, Madrassas, mosques, molvis etc are all fanning hate so anyone’s guess as to how that society will end up. The real culprits are not goras it is the hate filled environment.
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I guess as per this logic all Shias would be blasphemous.
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I would expect nothing less from your ilk. I’d say I’m smart or even an opportunist. Brave are the people who stay in Pakistan and raise their voice against wrongful practices. Those people have some massive cojones to do what they do despite people like you wanting them dead.
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Free speech = racism? How did you make that connection? And you talk like there is no racism in Pakistan? Sindhi hates Muhajir, Muhajir hate Sindhi, Balochi hates Punjabi. Pakistanis abroad have a sweet spot for the whites and abhor blacks. Pakistan’s restrictions on free speech isn’t fostering awesome race relations.
On the flip side, the first amendment to the US constitution played an important part in the civil rights movement.
This articles below makes note of how States tried to quell the movement using various unconstitutional laws. The US might still have segregation if it weren’t for the first amendment.
The Struggle for Civil Rights and the First Amendment
The other issue you referred to is illegal immigration. We don’t care who comes to this country as long as they follow the legal process. We know it isn’t easy, however, there are people all over the world (including my fellow Pakistanis) who have to follow that same law to come to the country. It’s unfair to the legal immigrants to let people who don’t come here legally be allowed to stay. Illegal immigrants use social services such as hospital and schools. They are usually poor so don’t contribute much to the tax base. They directly affect the most vulnerable part of the US population (poor Americans who rely on social programs).
Again, Pakistan does not have moral high ground when it comes to the issues of immigrants either. Pakistanis want the Afghan refugees to go back to Afghanistan. We want Afghanis born here to return as well.
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Yes there is more racism in pakistan.
If current state of pakistan was the model, I wont urge upon state to take responsibility to handle certain matters.
Calling some niggar is just a freedom of speech thing yet censored by Western media most of the time.
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We dont allow derogatory terms we are a civilised nation.
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Article is good - don’t agree with your statements. Read reply below - also aims at you 
Note the # of times you say “People”. Countries are NOT people. Countries work different how people / relations work. Countries goals are different.
In terms of Religious / Secular / Communism (aka The Systems) are as good as people’s believe in them. Humans are complicated animal, we make it work - whatever system majority believes in (no matter how perfect or imperfect that system is, and how perfect / imperfectly that system is applied).
I don’t have youtube right now, but go on it and search for “Best of HAsan Nisar” - the picture that shows up is he sitting with a group of people from far. You have to watch his amazing response explaining exactly this and more
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That’s self censorship. The American media did not show the actual Danish cartoons either. Media does whatever is good for business.
There is freedom of speech but you can’t force a private media organization to air your message.
There are other avenues though. You could use public spaces, the internet, etc.
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Abrahamic religions were invented by Jews and these ideas were already prevalent in societies before them especially the Persian Empire.
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What is the definition of Jews and how the term derived? Any historical evidence that the term Jew existed even before Abraham to support the statement that Abrahamic religions were invented by Jews.
If by Abrahamic religion you mean monotheism then concept of monotheism did exist before Abraham and was preached by many prophets before Abraham.
As far as the case of certain prevalent ideas, then religions like Islam don’t claim that they came up with these ideas at first. Like basic arkaans of Islam were there in one or other form and Islam just rectified the form in most cases.
For topic, the way this concept of Ummah is idelised is just a utopia. With so many secterian differences which started just after the death of the Prophet, the concept is a farce and mainly used for political gains.
As far as involvement of religion in goverment / governance is concerned, in presence of so many sects and one sect having immense intolerance for other sect, its practically unworkable. Isn’t it ironic, that some parts of Ummah are treated like minorities or even worse than minorities in the name of religion? So please, anyone supporting involvement of religion in goverannce should keep that pindora box with himself.
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Negative news would do better business instead. Also note,New York city council baned use of the word niggar.
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Even some Muslims may not like it but I think morality comes from fear. In few cases morality can be subjective. It can be subject to fear of God, love of God, pressure from society, elders, friends and social circle.
How about I say bill gates is selfish and is doing charity work out of society pressure and fear of losing respect?
Speaking truth out of fear of God is better than speaking truth out of pressure from society or elders.
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Most religious people don’t understand the meaning of real goodness of heart. Bill gates already has all the recognition one can ask for. He is happily married to Melinda and keeps a low profile and down to earth attitude. He is acting out of kindness and generosity. Contrarily King Suleiman walks in Arrogance on gold escalators while many muslims starve to death.
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I am talking about driving force that makes him do charity work.
Obama family ‘costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year’ (that’s 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)
Read more: Obama family ‘costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year’ | Daily Mail Online
Yes saudi kings are no good.
I know its really hard for you to be unbiased but look at the excerpt of an article below.
“A child born in the United States will create thirteen times as much ecological damage over the course of his or her lifetime than a child born in Brazil,” reports the Sierra Club’s Dave Tilford, adding that the average American will drain as many resources as 35 natives of India and consume 53 times more goods and services than someone from China.
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There is no force of fear driving Bill Gates.
Steve Jobs didn’t do much in charitable works and aside from some grumblings, people still sing his praises for his business acumen and technological progress.
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You won’t go to jail for it. Bill Maher did and though he “apologized” later on, he still has his show.
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dropping ‘Islamic’ from name or country as ‘core religion’ will not solve problem as well, lot of problems arise because of failure on many fronts the very top one would be lack of merit in most institutions whether its for admissions or hiring, second enforcement of law/justice which I believe is core of a society. with half a$$ job of law, justice what do you achieve? zilch. there many problems which we are facing have nothing directly to do with Islam being claimed as national religion, or “Islamic Rebublic of Bakistan”. The core of so called ‘secular countries’ i.e. USA / Europe is justice system and law enforcement, you take away that and see how their countries collapse, regardless of how much money you put in there.
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I am fully aware that USA is a culture of waste and abundance, unfortunately poverty is great for reducing the carbon foot print. I was involved at a very high level with the environment and energy efficiency. I believe that 50 yrs from now things will change drastically, most cars will be electric, fusion generators will provide power, meat will be grown in factories etc. There will be lots of solar power also.
Dont get me wrong there are beautiful things Islam has to offer but the religion has been hijacked by extremists. Before it was associated with honor now it is associated with violence and extremism.
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Good to know some one else in EE as well. Send me a PM. I am engaged with DSM in utilities for years now both in policy side as well as technology side.