Re: What if...
Bhai if you are not interested in reading the answers then it is not our fault.
We request you to interpret quran and hadith like sahabah and earlier scholars did, if you are deviating from the established aqeedah then you should have a self check first.
Firstly, I would like to thank you for showing respect and be gentle enough in the debate.
Secondly, I would be happy to interpret Quran and ahadith in accordance with earlier scholars and sahabah. In order for me to do this.. I, like any other Muslim should have 2 criterias to keep in mind again.
1) that interpretation, no matter who i take it from should not contradict with the teachings of Quran. A true Muslim's criteria should always been Quran and ahadith first.. and then the correct interpretation of it, if we find difference of opinion.
2) Another criteria again is from Quran. I humbly request you to tell me how any earlier scholar's interpretation is any hujjat on us? Has Allah instructed us to follow what scholars tell us? Has this been our standard by any chance ?
If I start quoting scholars that are very famously known in ahl e sunnah and have written against the beliefs you are preaching, will you take their word for it ? keep in mind, they are not my standard.. but you are the one asking me to interpret it like earlier scholars.. so I ask you.. are you ready to listen to those scholars interpretation ?
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look Mr popat, what best we can achieve after days of discussion on your aqaidh? maximum that Hadrat essa alihaysallam is no more alive, there will be a new prophet(under whatever defination) but the main point that MGAQ was mehdi or not that we are now discussing here will remain unanswered.
Through my experiance in discussing aqeedah of this group i am certain that the shortest way to know what is haq is through establishment of credibility of MGAQ.
See , what is more better route, collecting samples of water and sending them to lab waiting for weeks and getting results that the water is not healthy to drink or by just visiting the water source that is right in front of you to see how much filth is in there. :)
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listen brother, with all due respect.. my aqaid are not any different than any ordinary Muslim. Just merely believing in a person we have been waiting for does NOT make a non muslim, and you 'waiting' for the same person does not qualify you as a Muslim. The definition of being a Muslim is as simple as it can be. Our prophet has already told us who is Muslim and who isnt. So, lets not get there.
When we talk to Christians, though we put forth the pious character of our holy prophet s.a.w, but even before that, we create a room of prophethood or a man from God from their own book. Until and unless they dont accept that.. there is no point talking to them about the noble character of Muhammad PBUH.
The example is poor. We invite people to come join us (have a sip of water), and if they don't like it.. dont drink. But do not stand outside of a flowing river and keep criticizing. This is the job of an opponents. They always find flaws. Christians even to this day write books after books about the concept of jihaad in Islam.. about the rights of women in Islam etc. Does that make Islam any less truthful ? Certainly not. If you need to understand a certain belief, ask the person believing in it and then reconcile and see if Islam allows it or not.
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Just check the declassified information that i shared for 1974 assembly session on the issue.
Bhai your standard is quran o hadith do not mean that you follow quran and hadith. we believe that your intrepretation of quran and hadith do not corelate with the intrepretation of ijmah of ummat from 1500 years. This has been proved at this very forum so many times.
Haq is evident from the posts of respected brothers Ibn Saddique and Psyah, all you have to do is not to let your biases stop you from accepting haq.
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It's quite interesting to say that its good to be with majority.. but no body knows or cares about where the majority is taking you?
Islam is not the same as how it came 1500 years ago. People who curse sahabah call themselves Muslims.. people who bow down infront of a grave call themselves muslims, people who wrongly and unjustly kill people call themselves Muslims.. what is left of Islam ? We have lost the fear of God, we have lost the fear of being punished by God. But all that aside, its foolish to say our interpretation does not correlate to ijmah of ummah from 1500 years ago..since you dont even know what ijmahs have we seen throughout the Islamic history. It may not corelate to today's ijmah of scholars who have pride of knowledge of deen in their hearts and less fear of God. But its not right to say it doesnt correlate to earlier Islam.
As for Psyah and Ibn Sadique.. i have always been willing to talk to them. But when they start beating around the bushes and dont even understand a simple thing and cant even explain any simple belief... why do I even waste their or my time ?
and we have sawad e azam(majority of ummat) with us.
… Dude! We were instructed to stick to the majority … Why on Earth are you looking for past accounts? That is a pointless exercise … For those nations were not told to stick together.
for your kind information, my friend.. If you have any little knowledge about the subcontinent and the time in which Hz Ahmad (as) had been appointed, and if you read about Him from an independent source ( you can even read about him in English newspapers of those times.. inbox me for newspaper cuttings ).. if you ready about His character, about his work for Islam, about his marvellous understanding of Quran e Paak ( you can read what scholars at his time thought about him ).. if you read about why He was given the title of ‘Sultan ul Qalam’ , it does not take long to understand what a high spiritual status of a man He was.