If Pakistan would have not come into existence, still Urdu or Hindi would have been the common language of the present Pakistan.
Something tells me that urdu would have been slowly and surely eradicated in that scenario, like it is in India. Hindi has been shaped into a slang or 'tapori' language, while Urdu in Pakistan still retains its shaistagi. I have many Indian Muslim friends and their 'version' of urdu is completely different from mine, Muslims in India have somewhat combined the two to form a slang. Heavens forbid.
Something tells me that urdu would have been slowly and surely eradicated in that scenario, like it is in India. Hindi has been shaped into a slang or 'tapori' language, while Urdu in Pakistan still retains its shaistagi. I have many Indian Muslim friends and their 'version' of urdu is completely different from mine, Muslims in India have somewhat combined the two to form a slang. Heavens forbid.
A silly characterization, especially when one considers the fact that Urdu isn't native to Pakistan at all, and there are in fact many times more primary Urdu speakers in India than in Pakistan. As far as the issue of the "blending" of Urdu and Hindi is concerned...I would argue that you'll rarely hear Urdu being spoken with proper grammar outside of Karachi. The Urdu I've heard being spoken by Pakistani Punjabis is filled with Punjabi words and grammatical constructs.
Urdu may enjoy far more official patronage in Pakistan, but I hardly think its fair to say it's a dying language in its native lands.
A silly characterization, especially when one considers the fact that Urdu isn't native to Pakistan at all, and there are in fact many times more primary Urdu speakers in India than in Pakistan. ..
Just wondering how many out of them can read Urdu as well ....
Just wondering how many out of them can read Urdu as well ....
None of my indian muslim friends can ....
In Kashmir, virtually every literate person, Muslim or otherwise, knows how to read Urdu script.
I don't know if there's any data on Urdu literacy, but I suppose we could roughly estimate it by multiplying the number of primary Urdu speakers by the Muslim literacy rate.
58 million Urdu speakers * 60% literate = 34.8 million literate primary Urdu speakers in India
vs
11.5 million Urdu speakers * 54% literate = 6.2 million literate primary Urdu speakers in Pakistan
Urdu is a nice language, in my opinion Punjabi people should speak it more and stop assuming that all other ethnic groups understand Punjabi. It sounds so crude and rough.
That was the point of Urdu in Pakiland I thought, to have a common language of communication for all the ethnic groups?
Urdu is a nice language, in my opinion Punjabi people should speak it more and stop assuming that all other ethnic groups understand Punjabi. It sounds so crude and rough.
So they should give up on their language because you think it sounds crude and rough. I am sure non-Urdu speakers feel the same way about Urdu too. And what advice do you have to give to Sindhi, Baluchi, Pushto speakers, oh great one.
The People of Punjab, like the people of Sindh, Baluchistan, or NWFP will continue to speak their own language - the language of their ancestors, no one can force them to change. Aap ney urdu boolni hai tu bolain, no ones stopping you.
Spock, abdel did not say that Panjabis should stop speaking panjabis, he is saying that when talking to other ethinic people, they should use a more common language ..
So they should give up on their language because you think it sounds crude and rough. I am sure non-Urdu speakers feel the same way about Urdu too. And what advice do you have to give to Sindhi, Baluchi, Pushto speakers, oh great one.
The People of Punjab, like the people of Sindh, Baluchistan, or NWFP will continue to speak their own language - the language of their ancestors, no one can force them to change. Aap ney urdu boolni hai tu bolain, no ones stopping you.
Oh dear lord, You're a very silly person aren't you. Utterly distorting the context of my post just to be able to have a go. You've assumed too many things in your reply for me to even bother addressing.
I'm not a native urdu speaker, my mother tongue is koshur (which is very different to urdu), and my urdu is not that great. If you read the post again, I was stating my 'opinion' which I am entitled to, I did not issue any advice, nor do I wish to. If you also look at the punctuation used in my previous post, you will notice a 'full stop' preceding the statement 'It sounds so rough and crude' indicating that it was a statement on its own, and not linked to the other sentences and thus can not be associated to be taken as 'reasoning' of the previous sentence.
Punjabis are the largest ethnic group in Pakistan, so it is understandable, but in my opinion more effort wouldn't hurt.
Spock, abdel did not say that Panjabis should stop speaking panjabis, he is saying that when talking to other ethinic people, they should use a more common language ..
Are you joking? Where did I say "akhbar" and "beach"?
Hareem if only you realised how funny you are. :)
Personally speaking, I'd rather my future generation spoke Urdu than Panjabi (with respect to the Punjabi's) but Urdu zabaan has more respect in it.
So Punjabis speak to sindhis, and Baluchis in Punjabi? When did that happen?
Ok so what you’re saying is, for example, Punjabi might sound crude and rough to a Baluchi, but Urdu might not?? I dont think thats the case. Its about time we learn to respect all these regional languages, and stop urging people to change their languages, because they dont want to and it creates a bad feeling inside.
Oh dear lord, You're a very silly person aren't you. Utterly distorting the context of my post just to be able to have a go. You've assumed too many things in your reply for me to even bother addressing.
I'm not a native urdu speaker, my mother tongue is koshur (which is very different to urdu), and my urdu is not that great. If you read the post again, I was stating my 'opinion' which I am entitled to, I did not issue any advice, nor do I wish to. If you also look at the punctuation used in my previous post, you will notice a 'full stop' preceding the statement 'It sounds so rough and crude' indicating that it was a statement on its own, and not linked to the other sentences and thus can not be associated to be taken as 'reasoning' of the previous sentence.
Punjabis are the largest ethnic group in Pakistan, so it is understandable, but in my opinion more effort wouldn't hurt.
You totally pulled a Fox news on that one.
lol it doesnt matter what your native language is buddy so no need to give long explanations. You said what you said in that previous post, no ifs and buts, and if you still feel you were being misperceived, say it again. Until then, lets just assume:
Punjabis, like sindhis, baluchis, sarhadis, will continue speak their own language, or whatever they want to
Punjabi is not crude or rough, spoken in any way whatsoever or to anyone whatsoever, just like the other regional languages of Pakistan, as well as Urdu.
lol you are forgetting, it was forcing Urdu onto Bengalis that started Bengali freedom movement. You can deny it all you want, or look over it. Btw, Bengalis celeberate that day, Feb 21st, when West Pakistan killed its people who stood up for their own language, as a national holiday too, so its not irrelevent. That movement made the Awami National Party into the party that spearheaded separation. We’re not just talking modern day Pakistan, read the first post again. All of this, after you said anyone who speaks their own language is an enemy of Pakistan, or against the creation of Pakistan. And yes, unless we learn from the mistakes we make, theres going to be 3-4 more bangladeshes.
Again, you don’t seem to be grasping my point. A lot of Punjabis speak Punjabi with other ethnic groups, I don’t see why you’re finding that so hard to believe? I’m talking about common interactions here, i.e. going to Lahore, Gujarat, Jhelum etc and asking for directions etc in urdu, replies will be in Punjabi majority of the time. Heck even going to the Pakistani consulate here, they speak Punjabi/Mirpuri and English but thats somewhat irrelevant.
I’m Not talking about a conversation with a doctor/lawyer etc, talking about common folks here (who are the majority of Pakistan). In Peshwar, people dont reply in Pashto when you ask for direction in urdu. It is an observation that I’ve made from my visits to Pakistan, no need to go all pc on it.
And no one is making them or suggesting them to change it, its just common courtesy, given the fact that its the national lingo.
when the heck did I say that they should change their languages? I just said Punjabi people need to make more of an effort with urdu towards non-punjabis, tis all.
And yes Punjabi sounds as horrible as German to me, big flipping deal, stop getting so defensive. It’s just my opinion, some might agree, others might not give a rats ass, I don’t care.
Ah darn, you edited it from 'no one cares about your..¨ to a more politer sentence before I could quote it.
They all should continue to speak their own languages, no one is arguing about that.
Again, you don’t seem to be grasping my point. A lot of Punjabis speak Punjabi with other ethnic groups, I don’t see why you’re finding that so hard to believe? I’m talking about common interactions here, i.e. going to Lahore, Gujarat, Jhelum etc and asking for directions etc in urdu, replies will be in Punjabi majority of the time. Heck even going to the Pakistani consulate here, they speak Punjabi/Mirpuri and English but thats somewhat irrelevant.