Taliban are Kharijites?

yes i had not read your post. i have read it now and my apologies for that.

tell me Who r Paki Taliban fighting and killing actually?

I dont know what deoband group you're talking about, maybe you can elaborate, but for me these are external ideologies which have 'sided' with taliban, and are defaming their name.

Because not everyone in the taliban is an angel, or even within pakistan in OTHER organizations.

But other then that, my post that i referred to you had the my views on foreign personnel within taliban.

Against the US Supply line that comes Through pakistan, which results in the destruction of their land?

Against the bombing of Fata and Swat and villages where people die without discrimination?

Against Pakistan's support for the US, which has also created havoc within the US?

I could type for ever the list of apparent reasons.

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Anyways, if mods want, they can move, close or split this thread, since it has gone on a totally different tangent.

I'm pretty much done here anyways.

thats wht u wud like to believe my friend but it is not the case. Taliban actually r working in favor of the US as it will provide the backdrop for more US interferance and at worst invasion.

If Taliban were for real the enemies of the US then tell me how many US targets have the hit so far? how many of the people they have killed in Pakistan were American and how many were Muslim and Pakistani?

Crescent I am talking about deobandi organizations that have adjoined with Taliban, such as Sipah-e-Sahaba, and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Are these organisations also "defaming talibans' name"?

Do you really want to argue the obvious? It'll go on forever, because it is evident you're not willing to change your views. Which is ok by me.

They are not playing into US's invasion, US wants to present their image as such so they CAN invade pakistan. Thus the propaganda against their ideology (not people).

US already invaded Afghanistan and Pakistan, we all have to accept that fact already.

Their war with Pakistan is now a societal war based on bombarding from both sides.

Its like asking how many israelis has hamas killed because they are at war for their purposes?

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AikPakistani- i dont know if SSP is defaming Taliban or Taliban are defeming SSP. I saw interview of the secretary of SSP on TvOne and he said "we got nothing to do with Taliban"! not even SSP wanna b associated with em.

Again, the answer u're looking for is in the post i referred 100 times to you already.

Please read it, please!

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Crescent I have read your post. But all the questions that I am asking have been brushed aside intentionally or untentionally in that post. I am still looking forward to you asnwering my query.

so US has invaded Pakistan and Taliban r fighting agains the invasion, huh? brilliant play with jaahil Taliban as heroes.

How many Israelis Hamas has killed? the number is well in excess of 1,000 since the formation of Hamas in 1993!

Here is the difference: Taliban is not a group its an ideology. Will they stop spreading their philosophy/bullshyt after US/NATO left? Any normal person who see their atrocities against the mankind will never support them, no matter how much they justify themselves.

When you challenge the writ of government, then don’t cry when government fight back. InshALLAH Pakistan army will kill and destroy every single one of these scum of earth, and how Pak Army is fighting please watch this documentary:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/309615-swat-crisis-news-articles-opinions.html#post6323306

Who are these fanatics to say what kind a forgien policy should government adopt? By the way what kind a havoc this created in USA??? Civilized world will win, example is Iraq. Fully democratic and handed over to people of Iraq

Keep them comin`…

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Kharjis were better than Taliban.

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^^ yes ..atleast they don't chop people heads off or send 12 years old as suicide bombers !

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It seems that there is no entity in Pakistan that seems to have any control over the country... its an absolute mess...and God forbid if gang of thugs such as the Taliban is fighting for our cause then boy we r doomed.

Firstly the taleban you speak of, the ones that used to govern Afghanistan once upon a time, are a throwback to the late nineties. They’re history. When the taleban are spoken of now, it refers to those in Afghanistan, and more usually the ones killing our soldiers and terrorizing Swat, Bajaur, FATA, killing local leaders and bombing all over the place (and claiming responsibility for it through their own channels, NOT CNN/Fox/etc). If you wish to defend the honour of the dear departed Taleban state I dont really care about those one way or the other.

Also you have repeatedly said nobody condemns the other side etc. While some may have that failing, that doesnt apply to me. The last thread I opened in WA was condemning the other side’s war methods.

Furthermore you say Pakistan has been committing atrocities in Swat.I suggest you read some more about it before you paint them as angry young men. Please see this, Swat has little to do with some sort of reaction to someone bombed by American or Pakistani whatever. See Imran Khan’s categorical statement to that effect.

Finally, could you tell us whether you support the killing of pakistani soldiers by the true Taleban, however you define that.


I know why we're labeled as "wahabis" but I'm telling you that it is incorrect as 'al-Wahab" is one of the names of Allah Ta'ala. You're distorting the name of Allah Ta'ala. Secondly we don't follow Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab (rahimahullah). We simply respect and love him as like we do for scholars who came before and after him. Let's suppose we do follow him, please tell me what did he say which was not said by the scholars who came before him? Let's just focus on the matters of tawheed and 'aqeedah.

As far concerning how Saudia Arabia came to be and this old myth of him being aided by British, you need to read some history from neutral sources.

It is true that when the heretics can't justify their shirki beliefs from the Qur'aan and Sunnah, then they start spreading hatred and falsehood against the noble scholars of Ahlus Sunnah.

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saudi arabia is not the epitome of a shariah state even from the sunni perspective .....thats a misconception.
Saudis are not puritin muslims , nor are they interested in establishing a khilafah

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Btw dude have you been out there. Socialist Capitalism has come very close to Islamic welfare state concept. There is affordable and equitable justice system, care of those too old or too young or too sick or helpless to themselves. A guaranteed food and health care for all regardless of caste, creed or color.

I believe given the choice between an honest and fair, cost effective and quick justice system along with safety nets for the vulnerable against a state that provides none of this but chops off hands and mandates niqaab and hijaab and beards, my choice will be clear. What would you choose, is the question?

P.S. mark my words and ask Allah on the day of judgement of what is the preferable of the two. You just may be surprised if you have chosen the latter

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firstly dude u are missing the whole point
u think people are defending EACH AND EVERY thing that taliban do .....thats not the case

secondly the socialist capitalism u describe is the ideal form of govt in an islamic state
and thats what I endorse as well.....
but this should also be accompanied by the strict moral regulations as enforced by islamic state without this the society will degenerate ....
so why not a society with the socialist economy AND the beards/hijab/no music dancing wine etc kinda like what was established during the pious caliphate

although i do agree with one thing u hinted at ...afgahan "mujahideen" funded by pak army /CIA and saudis were essentially bandit armies of warlords and one of the main reasons they turned against soviets was because of the land reforms that they introduced. this includes the pashtuns/tajiks/hazaras ]

calling each other kafirs is extreme ...but enjoining good and forbiding evil is a central belief in islam [even with sword] which is often forgotten.