What do you think is it a fair comparison?
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
No ... the 'aqeedah of the two are different.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
They are both quite similar in practice and their destructive behavior...I would agree
The Muslim Ummah was given the title of being the "Moderate Ummah" by our Holy Prophet 
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Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
There is only one surviving group of Kharijites in Oman and they are not like the Taliban. Taliban have a reputation for having a strong emphasis on local traditions and are reputed to not encourage female education, mostly out of cultural reasons.
The Kharijites held that Ali (RA) was wrong and they believed that Allah (SWT) sends rulings through a sense of qadr by randomly flicking through pages of the Qur'an and stopping at a point.
The Kharijites will challenge authority yet the Taliban will not. They are both allegedly zealous in what they believe in and there could be some comparison, but to make them equal is wrong.
There is only one surviving group of older Kharijites present today, and that is in Oman. They call themselves with another name, Ibadi.
They are very moderate compared to the original Kahrijites.
The original Kharijites thought of themselves as the only Muslims, and anyone disagreeing with them as kafir, including the fourth caliph. And for this reason they considered such people worthy of being killed and enslaved.
Their slogan was 'la hakam illallah' ("there is no ruler except Allah").
This is all very similar to present day Taliban ideology.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
Depends on which Taliban you're talking about.
The real taliban, or the CNN pastho speaking, any afghani with a big beard and a turban Taliban?
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
Their tactis are defenately quite similar. We read that Kharijis cut open a pregnant womans' stomach and took out the baby before killing it. This was the triggering point to the war of Naharwan.
Taliban today are just as beastily. Their beheadings videos are enough to make you sick and disgusted.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
^ Even if we admit that Taliban are as per alleged characteristics, similarity of behaviour is not license to equate two peoples ... this way we can say that zionists = nazis, but we know this is not accurate ... to focus on similarities is one thing, but to make equation is quite another.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
Psyah...
why do you say that Zionist = Nazi is correct. Both are racist ideologies believing in superiority of their race and inferiority of others. The willingness to deal with inferior races through violence and extermination. Both the ideologies believed in creating a pure homeland. pure from corrupting influence of inferior races.
No need to dig up archaic names like Kharjis when it come to Taliban.
If a Talib is PEACEFUL, he is a peaceful Wahabi maslak person and he has every right to practice his faith.
If a Talib is committing suicides, beheading, and other terrorist activities, then call him terrorist, or Islamist.
If you want to classify suicidal Taliban based on their actions, then simply call them Kuffar as they are murdering innocent Muslims.
It is truly a shame for all true Muslims that our Kalima is in the background of the dasterdly primitive tribal picture depicting polish engineer's beheading.
After seeing these pictures, wee have clearly lost our right to complain when others associate Allah swa, Mohammad pbuh, and other Islamic symbols to dastardly heinous acts of barbarism.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
No, Kharijites had an ideology for which they fought and created havoc, Taliban are warlords, they fight for jurisdiction and power.
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
i think the comparison is fair but there is a big difference why taliban are better than kharijites
taliban are fighting against nominal muslims and secular muslims
original kharijites fought against esteemed sahaba ...even if we leave out the towering figure of Ali himself
the sahaba in ali's army who the kharijites refused to listen are very renowned like abdullah b abbas and abu ayyub ansari
furthermore about the kharijites Rasoolallah made the prediction that they would leave faith like an arrow exits the bow ,
No, Kharijites had an ideology for which they fought and created havoc, Taliban are warlords, they fight for jurisdiction and power.
actually many of khawarij were also landlords or ashraf , and they switched sides when it didnt suit them
e.g out of 12,000 original khawarij only 1400 eventually fought Ali at nahrawan
later khawarij starting from ummayyads can be favorably compared to taliban as both fought against tyranny and unislamic govts
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
Das Reich, you think its OK to be killing nominal and secular muslims????
taliban are fighting against nominal muslims and secular muslims
"Nominal" Muslim!
You need to understand that anyone disagreeing with them an INCH is a "nominal muslim" for Taliban.
example, anyone not keeping his pants above his ankles is "nominal muslim" and deserves punishment.
that's why their comparison with kharijites.
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original kharijites fought against esteemed sahaba
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"esteemed sahaba" is your own opinion. these sahabas were "nominal" and "secular" muslims for kharijites. Actually, kharijites considered them kafir.
"Nominal" Muslim! You need to understand that anyone disagreeing with them an INCH is a "nominal muslim" for Taliban*. * example, anyone not keeping his pants above his ankles is "nominal muslim" and deserves punishment.
that's why their comparison with kharijites.
"esteemed sahaba" is your own opinion. these sahabas were "nominal" and "secular" muslims for kharijites. Actually, kharijites considered them kafir.
If my mom and sister can walkdown peshawar without an abaya or scarf, then I am led to believe that your uttering bull feces.
Please turn of CNN :)
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Nominal" Muslim!
You need to understand that anyone disagreeing with them an INCH is a "nominal muslim" for Taliban.
example, anyone not keeping his pants above his ankles is "nominal muslim" and deserves punishment.
that's why their comparison with kharijites.
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calling musharraf or benazir a nominal muslim is understandable
calling abu katada or abu ayyub the senior companions of prophet is NOT
so thats why taliban today have more of a point as their opponents are not really practising muslims
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"esteemed sahaba" is your own opinion. these sahabas were "nominal" and "secular" muslims for kharijites. Actually, kharijites considered them kafir
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true but they had little to back up their arguments against the sahaba [e.g khawarij believed in sabiqa or precedence of muhajireen & ansar but there were almost no muhajireen or ansar amongst the khawarij , but dozens of them in ali's army]
e.g as i mentioned only 1400 out of 12,000 khariji eventually fought against ali
rest were swayed to side of ali by the eloquence and religious arguments of ali's companions
how many religious militants are swayed away by the arguments of bhuttos or musharraffs of our times ?
Das Reich, you think its OK to be killing nominal and secular muslims????
its definately okay to fight against them in regular wars ....but they should not be executed or massacred thats what khawarij did]
Re: Taliban are Kharijites?
to put it simply
there is more justification today for taliban-esque activites than it was in times of ali ....as in times of ali there was rigorous implentation of shariah
so while methods of khawaij and taliban are the same their situations are VERY different
infact later corrupt ummayyad/abbassids rulers choose to justify their actions against taliban by giving example of ali but that is like comparing apples to oranges .....
rising up against khalifah-e-rashid is different than rising up against a usurper tyrant