nice try. but dawat from him means a sunni, and specific hanafi mazhab (probably the intolerant, wild child, modern day violent arabized version). know this, that when he gets caught in the illegal activities, that he is bound to, you'd be suspect number 1.
I know what you mean, the Hanafi sect has been changed beyond recognition by Saudi funded Mullahs.
On the Tableegh point, the region by family is from has been visited by this lot since Mulla Ilyas starting harrasing poor kisan who used to work in Delhi. That was over 90 years ago, so I know then well. Visited both Nizamudin and Raewand. A leopard can't change its spot, and neither can the Tableegh.
CORRECTION: Hanafi is not a sect. Please learn the difference between sect and school of thought. Also, Saudi Mullahs or Wahabis mainly follow Hanbali madhab not Hanafi.
Where did I say that Saudi were Hanafi. Any fool knows that they are Hanbali, as are most Gulf Arabs except the Omani, who are Ibadi. The Arabic word is madhab, and the Arabic dictionary I have says sects. Having been born and brought up in Saudi Arabia, never once did I ever here anyone translate madhab as anything other then sect in English. However, the Arabs never use the word firqa, which is used by Pakistanis.
Where did I say that Saudi were Hanafi. Any fool knows that they are Hanbali, as are most Gulf Arabs except the Omani, who are Ibadi. The Arabic word is madhab, and the Arabic dictionary I have says sects. Having been born and brought up in Saudi Arabia, never once did I ever here anyone translate madhab as anything other then sect in English. However, the Arabs never use the word firqa, which is used by Pakistanis.
And now you're comparing Hanafi and Hanbali with Ibadis. Nice.
Firqa is Urdu or Arabic word for Sect. Fiqh or Madhab means school of thought. What Arabic dictionary you have? Sect is firqah, shiah or Taifa in Arabic.
Anyone outside Sunni Islam is considered sect, not madhab. We can say Ahle Tashih is a sect or Ibadi is a sect but Hanafi or even Deobandis and Brelvis belong to Ahle Sunnah waljamah as they all follow the four madahib (hanafi, hanbali, shafi or maliki).
in your opinion and personal definition it isn’t. but let’s be realistic, if that’s a school of thought, then so are the bhoris and alawis and the ahmedis and the barelvis. you cannot force your opinion of what these things are on everyone else. this isn’t saudi arabia, uncle.
in your opinion and personal definition it isn't. but let's be realistic, if that's a school of thought, then so are the bhoris and alawis and the ahmedis and the barelvis. you cannot force your opinion of what these things are on everyone else. this isn't saudi arabia, uncle.
I AM being realistic. Bhoris, Ismailis and Ahmedis are not considered part of orthodox/Sunni Islam. Brelvi and Deobandis are also part of Sunni Islam.
Why do we have to see the word "sect" in a negative light? You know what does "tashi" or "shia" mean, right?
Now just because Sunni/Orthodox Islam is not considered a sect it still doesn't stop Sunnis from practising sectarianism. Hope you can see the point.
Your question is very ideal. You are saying the sects should not be a reason for problems.
Yes. Has not been a big problem in the past except for last several decades.
I did not criticize you however but those who are adamant on being 'different' from others based on few unimportant differences.
Still don't know what makes sunni special that it is not a 'sect'. Every group can call other sect ,...and itself as orthodox/correct/righteous etc.
You have to see this in the historical context. Shias separated from the majority (around 99% at that time) over the imamat/successor issue.
What does this question has anything to do with orthodoxy? I can say it’s more traditional than others and that makes it orthodox.
Well, okay, I’d like to hear their reasons but I doubt they will because there is no conflict or dispute among sunnis and shias on orthodoxy, shias have similar beliefs to Sunnis except the Imamat issue.
What can I do when you in your mind have cooked up this theory of being orthodox means superior to others.
What? What basics?
No they won’t become non muslims unless they go against the Islamic Aqeedah…hope you understand the difference between madhab and aqeedah.
nd they may say you separated. They continued on straight path. Got my point?
Orthodox has two meanings:
1- Rghteous/correct
2- Strict follower of religion
Really?
Please read above.
The Kalmah.
Yes, but not needed for making differences among people. Hope you understand difference among madhabs and differences among people.
The context of word orthodoxy I'm talking here means the early traditions of Islam. Similar to the menaing of Orthodox Christianity etc.
I see you point hareem. All I am saying if the diffrences are not big then there is no need to make new terms an create unnecessary differences.
Keepong legs apart or close during prayer or foldng hands on chest or abdomen are hardly important enough to make new terms.
Well, there is a whole background to each movement, for example, Brelvi fiqh was created to refute Wahabism, they didn't name themselves Brelvis but the incidents led that way where those Hindustani Sunnis became famous by this title.
Shias called themselves Ali's Party. Ismailis and Aga Khanis splited from Shias because they had totally different Aqeedah than Shias and Sunnis.
Now how the four major sunni schools of thought were developed, for that I have given you a link to read the background and everything.
The context of word orthodoxy I'm talking here means the early traditions of Islam. Similar to the menaing of Orthodox Christianity etc.
Well, there is a whole background to each movement, for example, Brelvi fiqh was created to refute Wahabism, they didn't name themselves Brelvis but the incidents led that way where those Hindustani Sunnis became famous by this title.
Shias called themselves Ali's Party. Ismailis and Aga Khanis splited from Shias because they had totally different Aqeedah than Shias and Sunnis.
Now how the four major sunni schools of thought were developed, for that I have given you a link to read the background and everything.
Even what is considered early tradition can be disputed. Hence no need to have the idea only sunnis are orthodox and all other are sects. That is where I started discussing with you. :)
