So much for bashing....

That is so not true. I know dozens of desi families who help their working DIL. And what about when mom's leave their old hubby and live with pregnant DIL or Daughter and help her for 6 months or so. Free nanny, free maid and no gratefulness in today's generation. They think that parents are hindrance in privacy and freedom.

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^ Yes, it sometimes but not always is a thankless job by in-laws.

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So, grandparents are good as long as they restrict themselves to babysitting.

It would be so interesting to visit GS 30 years from now.

^ LOL. Good observation. Ten bucks these self centered confused girls will be singing a different tune then.

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Grand parents teach many good things to grand-kids, they are blessings to the family and all of a sudden become intruders to privacy for some?

Majority of them actually are happy to see the couple making efforts to make a living and pursuing their career. They do offer help and even spend their money on grand-kids.

I was just talking to someone over phone who lives with his parents. His father is diabetic and sometimes wants a little snack or something at late evening. The girl is a homemaker and has a little girl of one year old.

His wife is in to arts, making good artistic items, paintings etc. for exhibition and sale.

She does not wants to make a snack for her FIL late night because she has ONE child!

Same child she leaves with him and MIL when she is engaged in her 'creative' activities, or goes to exhibition. And it is the In-laws house they live in!

Wanting privacy and freedom doesn't mean you're self-centered. Do you think all these americans and other "western" folks who live seperately from their parents are self centered and your fellow desi brethren arent?

Yes, for me they can be intruders to privacy. I am not representing a universal view, just my own. As an adult, I should have my own place where I make decisions with my husband, NOT his parents.

not representing a universal view either, in my opinion thats being selfish to the core. :)

I think it's selfish to make your wife live with your parents.. Selfish to the core.

What is being discussed is the expectation for grandparents to be able to baby sit the kids so the confused desi girls can have 9-5 jobs mixed with frequent shopping trips to the mall and the socializing.

Obviously you are an expert on how to treat your parents. So do advise, should all desi families adopt the western model and throw these old folks in old houses?

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Why do you assume the polar opposite. Just because you want your own space doesn't equate throwing people into "old houses". In fact, in case you didn't know, the percent of elderly needing nursing homes is not a whopping majority. Most older couples manage pretty well on their own, and I'm sure most women would not mind if an in-law would come to live with them in their time of need.

However, the same courtesy needs to be extended for the girl's parents as well.

Regardless of what specific men here may say about their generosity, fact is, we all know an old person is not going to invade their daughter's home for fear of raising problems in their daughter's home by upsetting the son-in-law or his parents who may already be living with them.

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The same girls would be glad to have their parents to live with them. Even if it is for months. No intrusion of 'privacy' there...lol

Husbands on the other hand are not so picky about their in-laws.

exactly..we are going to go through the same phase too later. so why not try being courteous to them and having them around when they need us. :) talking about in laws.

and they truly are a blessing.

I got raised by my Grandma :) my mom was busy with her engineering and dadi jan was truly a blessing. if it wasnt for her support and encouragement and the fact that she didnt even let mama cook, my mom would never have ended up being one of the first few female telecom engineers in Pak in the 90s and going to such a higher level :) (MashAllah)

plus not to mention, the crazy fun times we have had together at Eids and birthdays :)

exactly. and even at times I have heard, MIL actually saving marriages by intervening and taking their DIL's side and chiding her son for irresponsible behavior.

when people say that having 'buzurgs' at their places keeps the 'barkat' flowing in. it IS true :)

Only a fraction of old people require old homes, most of them are quite capable of living independently. By the way, western model is much better than the dysfunctional desi joint family system.

Says who? Husbands can get very annoyed by their inlaws too. And the reason why there is less son-in-law fights is because the mothers usually don't interfere with what their son in law does but constantly interfere with their DIL.

Exactly. Most parents don't want to live with their daughter because they think it will burden their son in law. Men can be so selfish, they can make their wives live with his parents forever but feel burdened if her parents come to stay.

Exactly.. and if women working after marriage is so bad why hasn't it been classed as haram??

You are making a comment where you have no idea about desi families.

While not every parent lives with the couple even in desi families, the parent of the husband give a lot to their sons and so do parents of the daughters.

However the difference is that husband is responsible majority of time to be the bread winner even in non-desi families and in desi families the girls move to husband's place.

Not every man is able to have his place and if he does, he is free to live separate. Many times parents of husband own the house and the girl and her husband are graciouly welcome to live in that house.

You call this dusfunctional? Not at all.

Your second paragraph again has no meaning since majority of the time girls moves to her husband's house.

When I gave example of girl's parents more often tolerated/accepted and even welcome by husband, is beacause husbands do spend time outside most often and they feel secure at least someone is giving support to wife and children.

Let us agree on one thing here:

Men are more tolerant in general, have less time to get involved in family politics than women. Women are more hateful to other women including their mother in-laws than men would be to their mother in-laws.

Your last paragraph is just plain untrue.

Joint family seems dysfunctional to me, I am not saying it's like that for everyone. In most joint families, theres always interference from inlaws and thats something I don't want to deal with. I can't marry someone knowing I will have to live with this family and not get to have my privacy and freedom.

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Moving to her husband's house doesn't mean his parents. I would move to my husband's house obviously but thats his own house, not his parents home.

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If men would stay home 24/7 with their mother in law, trust me they would get into fights too! Men are not at all more tolerant, it's just that they don't have to deal with all this bs that their wives have to deal with.
Obviosuly theres no fights between men and their mother inlaws simply because there isn't much interaction and girls parents usually never interfere with what their son in law is doing. Husbands parents on the other hand, are constantly interfering with their DIL and they expect her to serve them and be obediant. Thats the pathetic desi culture.

First two paragraphs depend on your choice. So no need to generalize.

Third paragraph. Men are more tolerant and you do not agree with that, that's fine.

Now dealing 24/7 with in-laws comes from good bilateral relation. The attitude you are showing will never work to have good relation. There is no need for preconceived notions to hinder future relations.

men are more tolerant? this is absolutely wrong.. i heard about many guys (imported from pakistan) having lots of trouble with their inlaws specially MIL while living under Her roof... couple of them left their wives for forever and some who moved out start doing Ok afterwards ....