So much for bashing....

You may be working cause you want to, some 'have' to.

By the way I just gave you 'other argument'.

A while ago there was a thread about this man who had his mom working and she would come home late and would just kiss him goodbye to sleep. She was a 'career' woman and he waited for her real love time, something like that. Emotionally disturbed man.

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well not all working mothers aer the same.

Yeah and what about fathers who work so late and barely have time for their children? I have seen plenty of fathers who act like money making machines and sleep during weekends instead of spending quality time with their kids.
Why does our society only blame the woman?
Both the parents need to spend time with kids and show them love and care, it's not just the mothers job.

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^ no doubt, fathers need to play an active role too in the child's upbringing and in an ideal world both will have the quality and quantity time to spend with the kids but unfortunately in the real world, compromises need to be reached and roles need to be appointed to run a home smoothly, if it becomes a battle of the egos than the kids suffer.

if the husband has taken up the role of the main breadwinner of the family and there are no financial constraints than its ideal for the wife to take up the vacuum left at home to be with the kids. a child only gets to spend what 3 or 4 yrs of his life at home, before schooling starts at which point the mother can go back to work full time. yes it does require a bigger sacrifice from the woman, but then thats the reason a mother's role is superceded by that of the father in most cultures and religions. is there denying the importance of the mother/child unique bond in the first few crucial developmental yrs of a child's life?

True in ideal sense.

But... Men's role since the beginning of time has been to be the bread winner, even the hardliner feminists would agree with that.

Besides, children (young) crave mothers more than fathers. Not to say father just work, sleep, golf, goes out to play cards etc.

Here is something.

As young children both girls and boys look up to mother.
Growing older the boy looks up to father and girl looks up to her mother.

So one can say it depends on the family structure also.

However, in-laws do not need to have same selection bias and can be helpful equally to both sexes of children.

So basically before I posted you posted similar thoughts while I was typing. :eek:

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as far as the topic goes and how everyone has listed the role of babysitters as one of the positives of living with parents, i think that's sad. its not fair to them and not to the child, its a physically challenging job and i have seen too many elderly desi parents being imported to be glorified babysitters to see that as a plus. children should see the elderly in the house as a blessing and not as their personal keepers, just my opinion.

freaky :hehe:

Both parents are responsible for spending quality time with their kids. Not just the mother. Thats my opinion, maybe the desi culture doesn't agree with that.

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if the husband has taken up the role of the main breadwinner of the family and there are no financial constraints than its ideal for the wife to take up the vacuum left at home to be with the kids. a child only gets to spend what 3 or 4 yrs of his life at home, before schooling starts at which point the mother can go back to work full time. yes it does require a bigger sacrifice from the woman, but then thats the reason a mother's role is superceded by that of the father in most cultures and religions. is there denying the importance of the mother/child unique bond in the first few crucial developmental yrs of a child's life?
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I am not denying that at all. But for the child's better future, many times the mother has to work to earn more to provide better housing, shelter, and higher education for her kids. Not all men are millionaires, are they?
What about men who lose their jobs, we hear about massive layoffs all the time. Isn't it a good idea that the woman also has a stable career so that she can keep providing for her kids even if her husband is jobless?
So many times a husband doesn't earn enough and can't afford to send kids to good schools, but if there are 2 incomes, the child can have better education and quality of life.
I know plenty of women who work fulltime but their husbands are very supportive and take care of kids whenever the wife isn't around. My aunt is a doctor and she is on call all the time. Her husband comes early from work sometimes when his wife isn't around to take care of kids and doesn't feel bad about having to change diapers or doing the laundry. Most desi fathers never even think of changing diapers, doing laundry, or cooking and think it's just a womans job.

False. What history are you reading?
Women have also been breadwinnrs in many society, including south asian society. Have you ever been to rural pakistan? Do you know that women work JUST as hard as men in the farms and help raise cattle and do manual labor just like their husbands do? Only middle class and upper middle class women have the luxury of not being the breadwinner and they are NOT the majority in pakistan where 70% of the entire population is actually residing in rural areas.

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Besides, children (young) crave mothers more than fathers. Not to say father just work, sleep, golf, goes out to play cards etc.
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Children crave whoever has bonded with them through childhood, sometimes thats even an older sibling instead of parent. If I didn't have a mother and it was just my father who raised me, I would feel more attached to him.

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Here is something.
As young children both girls and boys look up to mother.
Growing older the boy looks up to father and girl looks up to her mother.

So one can say it depends on the family structure also.
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Any evidence to back up your claim? Please don't post things as facts when you really have no hardcore evidence.
The reason why kids look up to mother is because shes been with them since their earliest memory and the unconditional love she provides. My youngest sibling was more attached to me than my mom because I used to carry her around all the time, change diapers, give her baths, and buy her things. When I moved out, she was very disturbed because she was always clinging on to me. I am not her mother but she was just so attached.
If my father was always at home, taking care of his kids, they would be more attached to him. Thats how it works.

sacrifice? so a mother working doesnt sacrifice anything at all? she doesnt give the child enough love? yeah ok :)

next it'll be, women shouldnt even go to uni or school... whats the point yeah? they can sit at home and look after the kids and cook...

Great!

Not all in-laws are same!

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wow intrestng quest and thanx for adding unmarried gals lol....

well i m not married yet but i will be some dayyyy...

i would like to live wid ma in-laws for like a year but not more than a yearrrrr.....

cause i m not join-family system personnn... my views can be changed if i will find them sweettt

for goodness sakes diwana, read me first post to ur thread... or the 2nd. Have i ever condemned inlaws? I think not..

sorry, seems like i touched a nerve :) did you read the whole thing or just zoom in on the last? never implied anything of the kind.

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^ no didnt touch a nerve :) I just think its funny how people make such assumptions without really knowing why people work

I think you have a different meaning of breadwinner than I know.

First, in rural areas you mentioned, the history was not created!

Second, men don't stay home, feed the kids, cook and do other house work while women are out on the farm. Both share the work. But this sharing of outside work has not been of historical significance.

Hope you understood. :)

Yep, Tarzan thought apes were his parent and loved them and bonded with them!

A fictional character but yes human child will love and bond with whoever is available.

We are talking about usual functional families.

Actually you proved my point here:

The reason why people do not respect as much their parents is because one or both of them have no time to spend with them.

Again you proved my point. Thanks. :)

You said youngest sibling, young enough to have diaper change. And you are female.

Hence, this sibling (gender irrelevant and unknown) thought you are the mother! :)

Now answer me a million dollar question:

*Would you employ a man as a baby sitter for your young children?
*

Open question to all so called feminists and gender equality proponents?

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what is the hue and cry about parents not being able to spend time with their kids?

after a kid is 4-5 and starts going to school, how exactly is a stay at home parent going to spend time with the kid? the kid aint there..will come back in the afternoon, parents come home afternoon as well.

then people will say but the workign mother arrives home tired because she works so hard, but then they are the same people who will say a homemaker works just as hard as a professional, which would then mean a homemaker is just as tired when kids come home as the professional.

:D

amusing really.

Wow you clearly have no idea about history. Do you know farming is one of the earliest profession and still is the only source of income for majority of third world residents in Asia?
What history are you talking about and what particular area are you referring to?
Go to any village and find out how many women are staying at home raising kids. Almost all of them work besides their husband in the farms and raise cattle. Some work in factories or as domestic servents (maasis, maids). How may poor women are staying at home? Middle class women are NOT the majority in pakistan.

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A fictional character but yes human child will love and bond with whoever is available.

We are talking about usual functional families.

Actually you proved my point here:

The reason why people do not respect as much their parents is because one or both of them have no time to spend with them.
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Yeah so both parents need to spend quality time with their kids. Fathers need to stop sleeping in on weekends and not staying at work so late that they are missing out on spending time with kids. Both are responsible for providing love and care, not JUST the mother.

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You said youngest sibling, young enough to have diaper change. And you are female.

Hence, this sibling (gender irrelevant and unknown) thought you are the mother! :)
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It's not because I am female, it's because I am the eldest and was very attached to her. My mom was very ill for few years so I had to take care of the little one and she grew up more attached to me.
My uncle stays home more than his wife can because shes a doctor and his own job isn't that time consuming so his kids are alot more attached to him. They are closer to him and miss him more when he's away. Like he came to pakistan for 2 weeks and his kids were always calling him and crying on the phone! But his wife goes out of town too and they never cry for her. Kids aren't attached to a female necessarily, just depends on whos around more and has developed a bond of love and trust.

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Now answer me a million dollar question:

Would you employ a man as a baby sitter for your young children?

Open question to all so called feminists and gender equality proponents?
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Depends on his maturity level. My brother used to babysit my younger siblings all the time. My fiance sometimes babysits his nieces and nephews when he's around.
What kind of a sexist question is this?

i cant think of any benefits..

hadnt thought of it from that angle.. but thank u! good point

some more points to remember:

1) a working mother is not a bad mother
2) a working mother still loves her child just as much as a house mother
3) the kid(s) are jsut as happy, if given enough love and attention.. and this does not mean buying them toys out of guilt
4) just cus a female works, doesnt mean she hates her inlaws
5) as a matter of fact, not every female hates her inlaws and doesnt want to live with them... I certainly love their company and wouldn't mind having them around at all. I like the fact i have someone to talk to.. someone to keep the blessings rolling in the house
6) if u want proof that a child can be happy with a working mother, come and see my child. She's living proof of a very happy child, Mashallah se :p