Shaping The Eyebrows

[KALiiDENALii]

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@pinks

^ u shud read the hadith posted in this thread and judge for yourself

did the Molvi Sahab provide any evidence for this opinion?

i did maam.. nd out of the 90 different hadith ppl posted. its prety hard to judge. but i realized itrs rare anyone give mature and nice answers. and u proved it. thanx
nook:

[TLK]

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I really don't like when muslims come up to prove their point with " one hadith " without any reasearch and studies.

Hareem, I wanted to give you reputation for saying such bold and true thing, but system asked me to spread it before giving it back to you..

Very well said Hareem

[reon]

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I found same question asked by M.A - Canada on the following website.
Source
Question and Answer Details
Name of Questioner
M.A. - Canada
Title
Shaping the Eyebrows
Question
As-Salamu `alaykum. Is it wrong to shape one’s eyebrows if they are too broad?
Date
22/Jul/2004
Name of Counsellor
Ahmad Kutty](http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503615013&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaCounselorE%2FFatwaCounselorE)
Topic
Dress & Adornment
Answer

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

**All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. **

Dear questioner, thanks a lot for your question, which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to become well acquainted with the teachings of Islam in all aspects of life.

As for the issue of shaping one’s eyebrows, it is controversial among Muslim scholars. Some scholars consider it permissible to shape or trim one’s eyebrows if they are excessively long or thick for the purpose of appearing neat and tidy.

Responding to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

There is a difference of opinion among scholars regarding whether one is permitted in Islam to shape or trim one’s eyebrows.

According to a group of scholars, shaping one’s eyebrows is considered forbidden, and they cite the following statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “Allah has cursed women who tattoo their bodies, wear false hair, those who pluck their eyebrows, and those who artificially widen gaps between their teeth.” They say that shaping the eyebrows or trimming them falls under the same rule.

As opposed to the above, other scholars consider shaping eyebrows or trimming them to be permissible. They say that the prohibition in the above hadith specifically refers to plucking eyebrows, and it is prohibited because it is akin to mutilation, and also it is more likely to result in defaming one’s face. As opposed to this, shaping the eyebrows if they are excessively long or thinning them if they are excessively thick, is enhancing Allah’s creation rather than mutilating it. Its analogy, therefore, is to trimming the mustache or cutting hair, and so on, which are not only permissible but may also be recommended.

In light of the above, according to these scholars, it is considered permissible to shape or trim one’s eyebrows if they are excessively long or thick for the purpose of appearing neat and tidy. You can read:

Straightening the Eyebrows ](http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=101113)
Removing Hair between the Eyebrows

If you are still in need of more information, don’t hesitate to contact us. Do keep in touch. May Allah guide us all to the straight path!

[fghd]

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They say that shaping the eyebrows or trimming them falls under the same rule.
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And why can't they give their reasoning as in why shaping eyebrows falls under the same rule as plucking?

Im suprised that how much time we all have to sit and discuss on such topic compare to how to convince most of us to at least pray 5 times a day if nothing else to not to be called Jahanumi.

bravo guys. Keep it up.

p.s. As far as I know and have the understanding that by far subhanAllah Islam is not a conservative religion. After believing in one God/Prophet and Quran rest was a guideline for us as in how to live our lives in an orderly and civilized manner. But sad to see how such a simple issue can become a matter of life and death or decision of Jannati and Jhanumi even though we all only Allah is the judge and we are only to be judged by Him n Him only.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@hareem01

I shape my eyebrows and because I don’t follow those scholars who are completely against it but I agree with those scholars who allow shaping and tidying it, that’s why I think I’m not doing any gunnah inshaAllah.

Some sisters are arguing by saying " there is a hadith against it "…I’m sure they haven’t checked the arabic version of the hadith nor they have considered reading its explanation by different scholars. There is a difference between plucking(nams) and shaping or trimming the eyebrows.

I really don’t like when muslims come up to prove their point with " one hadith " without any reasearch and studies.

BINGO…thank you.

@Crescent_

People need to stop taking Hadiths out of context.
Ask a fuqahaa, and you’ll have ur answer.

From what I know of one, you can do it to please your husband/ at time of rishta (or if you’ve reached the age of marriage). Majority of the Ullema agree to this.

However I can also understand why there is a limitation on beautifying yourself. Some girls go way over board, and you know what i’m talking about.

Its better they not do it at all, or limit themselves into doing it according to Shariah, rather than displeasing Allah swt.

yep…going way over board would be considered going beyond the natural brow line. Shaping beyond the natural brow line according to my research and knowledge is wrong…nothing wrong with keeping it clean and tidy.

**EMM **i couldnt agree more :k:

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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Hareem, I wanted to give you reputation for saying such bold and true thing, but system asked me to spread it before giving it back to you..

Very well said Hareem

dont worry...i added to it :D

[zobia]

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guys...do what satisfies you.

[Niksik]

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:(
My goodness people. Islam is a simple and beautiful religion...and extremely functional. The key is find your answers from the right sources as we, at least I am not a scholar and cannot read or decipher the Qur'an and Hadith by myself.

We can go on arguing and never come to a conclusion, and in the process harbor ill feelings toward each other.

Hareem is absolutely right, as are many others on this thread. Let us stop being Imams and Molvis, and call the several authentic Mufti offices located all over the country to get our answer if there is still confusion.

[Sara516]

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Girls… u want to walk around with face caterpillars, be my guest. But stop saying whoever does take any intrest in their appearance is going wel u know where :halo:

[zobia]

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:( My goodness people. Islam is a simple and beautiful religion...and extremely functional. The key is find your answers from the right sources as we, at least I am not a scholar and cannot read or decipher the Qur'an and Hadith by myself.

We can go on arguing and never come to a conclusion, and in the process harbor ill feelings toward each other.

Hareem is absolutely right, as are many others on this thread. Let us stop being Imams and Molvis, and call the several authentic Mufti offices located all over the country to get our answer if there is still confusion.

no one can be absolute right.
for me this is one of those places where "satisfaction" comes into play.

i believe that ALLAH SWT also not gonna like that someone is getting hurt to see their bushy eyebrows. where the same time could be spent in doing Ziker-e-ALLAH SWT.

so let them trim, or watever if they are satisfied.

[Niksik]

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no one can be absolute right. for me this is one of those places where "satisfaction" comes into play.

i believe that ALLAH SWT also not gonna like that someone is getting hurt to see their bushy eyebrows. where the same time could be spent in doing Ziker-e-ALLAH SWT.

so let them trim, or watever if they are satisfied.

Zobie, I was referring to Hareem's indication that we cannot make conclusions by referring to only one hadith...

Yes, of course no human being can be absultely right in the aspect you mentioned.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@Sara516

Girls… u want to walk around with face caterpillars, be my guest. But stop saying whoever does take any intrest in their appearance is going wel u know where :halo:

exact reason i posted in this thread… just to say that^

Allahu Alim

@zobia

no one can be absolute right.
for me this is one of those places where “satisfaction” comes into play.

i **believe that ALLAH SWT also not gonna like that someone is getting hurt to see their bushy eyebrows. where the same time could be spent in doing Ziker-e-ALLAH SWT. **

so let them trim, or watever if they are satisfied.

i also believe that the amount of time we spend on gupshup can be spent on doing Zikr…but we do it anyway! does that mean we are all going to go to hell for it or get punished for it? Only Allah (SWT) knows.

[zobia]

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exact reason i posted in this thread.... just to say that^ :D

Allahu Alim

i also believe that the amount of time we spend on gupshup can be spent on doing Zikr.....but we do it anyway! does that mean we are all going to go to hell for it or get punished for it? Only Allah (SWT) knows. :)

so is it some general statement?
pointing at some?
or just your silliloque?

kher my believe on your statement is, you can also do the Zikr here on GS. :)
(iff you are not of limited approach) :)

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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no not a general statement zobia... if it was I wouldnt have quoted you. :)

Zikr can be done in many ways...if it can be done before entering a bathroom, before driving a car, or cooking a meal, even before putting your shoes on...surely it can be done before/while and after plucking your eyebrows. dont u agree?

so is it some general statement? pointing at some? or just your silliloque?

kher my believe on your statement is, you can also do the Zikr here on GS. :) (iff you are not of limited approach) :)

[zobia]

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Zobie, I was referring to Hareem's indication that we cannot make conclusions by referring to only one hadith...

Yes, of course no human being can be absultely right in the aspect you mentioned.

respected chachi i do know you were referring to Hareem api's statement, but when you have so many discrepancies exist you cant call anything perfect, whereas absolute!

i dont want to say this but i refer to this notion of satisfaction because i was listening to some scholar where he was asked a question that "is it lawful to have sex with you wife when you fast". that scholar stated that idea of satisfaction. if you are satisfied with certain action do it, otherwise dont do it.

[Niksik]

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respected chachi i do know you were referring to Hareem api's statement, but when you have so many discrepancies exist you cant call anything perfect, whereas absolute!

i dont want to say this but i refer to this notion of satisfaction because i was listening to some scholar where he was asked a question that "is it lawful to have sex with you wife when you fast". that scholar stated that idea of satisfaction. if you are satisfied with certain action do it, otherwise dont do it.

You're right Zobs, in today's world of confusion and so much of it, we really need to streamline our thoughts to stay on the right track.

Education and intention and correct use and spread of knowledge should help.

OK, this thread is going off topic.
Where were we???

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@Niksik

You’re right Zobs, in today’s world of confusion and so much of it, we really need to streamline our thoughts to stay on the right track.

Education and intention and correct use and spread of knowledge should help.

OK, this thread is going off topic.
Where were we???

i was thinking more along the lines of going in circles

[zobia]

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@AnGeL_EyEs

no not a general statement zobia… if it was I wouldnt have quoted you.

Zikr can be done in many ways…if it can be done before entering a bathroom, before driving a car, or cooking a meal, even before putting your shoes on…surely it can be done before/while and after plucking your eyebrows. dont u agree?

thank you for pointing out that it was pointed out me. yes i am getting to hear this a lot that i am very religious person. i am not very religious, its just i do Zik-e-ALLAH SWT alot . whereas i never backup my statement (or very rarely) with any hadith-e-mubarik, or ayat.

people think using , kind of pearls makes me islami-religious. or wearing scarf (due to reasons) makes me very religious. the fact is i dont even know what religious means.

but yes i do ask question alot because i an knowledge seeker. most of the times my queries or my perception-cognition poking do hurt people, as it might hurting you, but the reality is i never personalize these things with certain person.

you are also right it can be done, but there must be difference between doing and saying so. honay ko bhut kuch ho sakta hai but we just dont do it. sometime there is a lack of knowledge, sometimes we find certain religious actions outdated and sometimes we perform them negatively cursing, and sometimes we dont do it.

so it really doesnt matter whether i agree with you, because as you said Only Allah (SWT) knows

ps. you can simply state that “zobia i hate what you are saying” because your sarcastic tone is hurting me.

[zobia]

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@Niksik

You’re right Zobs, in today’s world of confusion and so much of it, we really need to streamline our thoughts to stay on the right track.

Education and intention and correct use and spread of knowledge should help.

OK, this thread is going off topic.
Where were we???

its ok…if off topicness can lead you and me to some where, then it is not off topic.

chachi Hazrat Ali RA said once “my fiascos leaded me to ALLAH SWT”.

inorder to seek rationality you have to break norms.

ps. i am sure you dont want split thread with the very first post saying niksik

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@zobia

thank you for pointing out that it was pointed out me. yes i am getting to hear this a lot that i am very religious person. i am not very religious, its just i do Zik-e-ALLAH SWT alot . whereas i never backup my statement (or very rarely) with any hadith-e-mubarik, or ayat.

people think using , kind of pearls makes me islami-religious. or wearing scarf (due to reasons) makes me very religious. the fact is i dont even know what religious means.

but yes i do ask question alot because i an knowledge seeker. most of the times my queries or my perception-cognition poking do hurt people, as it might hurting you, but the reality is i never personalize these things with certain person.

you are also right it can be done, but there must be difference between doing and saying so. honay ko bhut kuch ho sakta hai but we just dont do it. sometime there is a lack of knowledge, sometimes we find certain religious actions outdated and sometimes we perform them negatively cursing, and sometimes we dont do it.

so it really doesnt matter whether i agree with you, because as you said Only Allah (SWT) knows

ps. you can simply state that “zobia i hate what you are saying” because your sarcastic tone is hurting me.

ummmm okkk…i nvr even discussed how religious you.

anyway…yea this is going completely off topic now.