Salman Butt 'With God as witness, we are not involved'!

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The International Cricket Council has suspended Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif, the three players implicated in the Lord’s spot-fixing scandal, under the provisions of the Anti-Corruption Code. The move came on the same day Pakistan announced that the players had opted to voluntarily withdraw from the forthcoming limited overs series with England.
Batsman Asad Shafiq and tall left-arm seamer Mohammad Irfan, who were both part of the Pakistan A squad currently touring Sri Lanka, were subsequently called up to the national squad for the forthcoming one-day series in England.
An ICC press release said that the three players had been charged with “various offences under Article 2 of the ICC Anti-Corruption Code for Players and Player Support Personnel relating to alleged irregular behavior during, and in relation to, the fourth Test between England and Pakistan at Lord’s last month”.
The allegations revolve around an article in last Sunday’s News of the World, in which a 35-year-old man, Mazhar Majeed, claimed he had paid Asif and Amir to bowl no-balls to order.
The trio, said the release, "have been officially notified of the offences they are alleged to have committed and have been provisionally suspended pending a decision on those charges. In accordance with the provisions of the code, this means they are immediately barred from participating in all cricket and related activities until the case has been concluded.
“The players have a right to contest this provisional suspension and a further opportunity to defend these charges at a full hearing before an independent Anti-Corruption Tribunal in accordance with Article 5 of the code. The players have 14 days from their receipt of the charge sheet to indicate their desire for a hearing.”
On a day of hectic developments, officials from the ACSU met officials from Scotland Yard in relation to the ongoing investigation. This is thought to have played an important part in developments later. The three players will now be questioned by Scotland Yard early Friday morning. A local legal firm has been appointed to defend the players, with the PCB’s legal advisor, Taffazul Rizvi, also in London assisting the case.
There is a suggestion from the Pakistan camp that the PCB wasn’t informed of the decision to suspend the players and that, with the Scotland Yard investigation still live, “it was a bit inappropriate to announce this now,” one official close to the proceedings told Cricinfo. “No evidence has been shared with us so far.”
Earlier on Thursday Pakistan officials made a robust protestation of the players’ innocence, with the High Commissioner to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, suggesting in an interview with the BBC that the three men had been the victims of a “set-up”.
However, ICC’s chief executive, Haroon Lorgat, said: "We will not tolerate corruption in cricket - simple as that. We must be decisive with such matters and if proven, these offences carry serious penalties up to a life ban. The ICC will do everything possible to keep such conduct out of the game and we will stop at nothing to protect the sport’s integrity. While we believe the problem is not widespread, we must always be vigilant.
“We could not do anything before today because we had not completed the work that we needed to do and also we did not want to prejudice the criminal investigation the police were busy with,” added Lorgat, having emerged from an hour-long meeting that is not believed to have involved any officials from the PCB. “Having said all of that, we got into a position by 8pm today where we were able to charge the three players. We have provided them with their charge and provisionally suspended them giving them the opportunity to respond within 14 days.”
The ICC Anti-Corruption Code for Players and Player Support Personnel was updated and strengthened in 2009 with the unanimous support of ICC Members, and this is the first time that the power of suspension has been implemented. Going forward, an independent panel will investigate the matter, excluding the member country concerned - in this instance, Pakistan.
'It is important, however, that we do not pre-judge the guilt of these three players," added Lorgat. “That is for the independent tribunal alone to decide.” Details of the date and location of the tribunal hearing (as well as its composition) will be finalised in due course.
Any player ultimately found to be guilty of committing an offence under the code would be subject to the sanctions described in Article 6 of the code. In this case, the alleged offences, if proved, would involve the imposition of a ban. There is also a possibility, at the discretion of the independent tribunal, that a fine would be imposed in addition to a ban.

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/story/475624.html

If ICC has approved the VIDEO and found them guilt,y then i wonder why ICC’s chief executive doesnt want us to pre -judge the guilt of 3 players.

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^ He just wants to ensure that in case of a loop-hole-escape ICC doesn't get blasted for 'pre-judging'.

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^ exactly, so they haven't made there final decision yet.

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^ of course things to go proper way (court/hearing) unlike PCB where players are banned, unbanned, fined, unfined without any process. ICC is not an idiot like PCB to have charged the players without checking video/event's timing.

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Captain1 Sahib :salute:
I have been on this site for yrs and remember having intelligent discussions for many yrs, I remember NY ahmadi, Antiobl and that indian Matsui :)..u too Ehsan uncle ji. But the kind of people we have on this site seems to be H zaid brigade!

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I am not teaching you anything about patriotism. There are plenty of blind Indian patriots as well who claim to be the next superpower and from an advanced country. I tell them the same thing. See not everybody views the world through the prism of the same old idiotic India vs Pak nonsense.

The Raina story was a non-story. Meal with some woman who's friend was a bookie and hence could potentially be a match fixer. No more info. No follow up. The only reason why you want to make it a story is because he is Indian and it would help your self esteem a little if some Indians also got caught for this. Immature. Azhar and Jadeja were match fixers. I'm glad we banned them. Set a precedent for the future cricketers to stay away from that filth. They have. As of today all cricket fans including Pak fans should wish that match fixers/spot fixers should be banned wherever they are from. You don't have to defend them just because they are Pakistani. Neither do you personally have to feel ashamed for their bad actions. It's this feeling of disgrace that makes it easier to defend them and buy into conspiracy stories than to face reality and deal with it.

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yep, ZH brigade has invaded here

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Captain Jee you are getting mixed up between ICC investigation and police investigation. I would urge you to read the last paragraph of my post # 27. And if that is not clear then read past statements from Logart and Flanagan as they have said, time and again that these are two different invesitigations.

ICC cannot put these three behind the bars as this is the job of police. However ICC can ban these players just based on the fact that they took money to bowled those no balls and that is why they have been charged under the Article 2 of ICC code of conduct. The three have been suspended for more than two months and I can't understand what is the delay in setting up their hearing date and prove them guilty on the basis of the evidence wheich lead to their suspension?

There is no "technicality or loop holes" which can save these player if they are guilty. They may escape jail sentence because of some loop holes but not an ICC ban. In this day and age, why it is so difficult to prove that the videos were made before the game????????

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I know ICC and SY are two different investigations and ICC can't put them behind bars, I didn't mean to say that ICC will put them behind bars.

Its lawyer's job to find loop holes I am no expert in laws, we will find out what happens eventually. Did you really believe Salman's statement that the big load of cash in Salman's room was for her sister's wedding (or something of that sort)?

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Of course it was for his sisters wedding only. It is also normal for players to be looking at the bowlers foot landings instead of the batsmen when the bowler is bowling. Simple things really.

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OMG where…
:chai:

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His excuses are lame...but ICC and PCB are even more lame...
WTH is SY's report and wrap this up by do a REVEAL all press conf...

Come on....

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No I did not believe it. But the point is when everyone starts picking out refutable stuff instead of focusing on concrete evidence (which shouldn't be hard to gather) then it sets a very wrong and dangerous precedent.

Unfortunately we (including media, fans,etc) have achieved mastery in this art and hence are no different than a trashy tabloid. When this practice becomes a norm, then we hear from Sun that the Oval ODI was fixed. We hear from Micky Arhtur that Pakistan may have fixed the 2007 ODI. We hear from ASCU that they are investigating Pakistan's last 86 matches. and then we have our local channels mainly GEO doing their own third class journalism. All this bull$hit is backed by no hard evidence and the result is damaging Pakistan's already trainted and tarnished image and I am now sick and tired of this crap.

And then among the fans we have this George Bush mindset that either you are with us or against us. A person like me, who all along has been saying that the trio if proven guilty should not only get a life ban but must be sent to jail in Pakistan on treason charges, is labelled immature or a blind patriot. All I am asking is to separate facts from fantasy when talk about controversies.

Don't know if ZH Brigade has invaded GS but definitely Bush Brigade has...

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^ Sure, if you want to call cash as refutable stuff then Salman is as innocent as a new born.

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bhai meray money laundering ka naam suna heay....

many people smuggles pounds and dollars rather then declaring them or using banks...

SY needs to show that the money BUTT had is money given to him by MAJEED through note serial numbers, finger prints, etc....
that is SY forte...where are they with the evidence.....JUST COME OUT AND EXPOSE EVERYTHING....
we'll see if BUTT and co did it or not fair and square....

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and let me add that ICC doesn't even need that eivdence to ban these players. As a matter of fact using that as the only evidence may help these player escape the bans. All they need is to prove that videos were made prior to the game. Present the evidence, ban these players for life on disciplinary grounds and let police complete their criminal invesitgation. Otherwise we will keep hearing these masala news from Sun, Micky Arther and whatnot.

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Lets not throw everything into the mix (laundering), according to the reports the cash found in Salman's room had marked notes, but that is not 'criminal' enough for SY to indict them.

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I'm wondering about Majeed - Butt relationship or Majeed with other Pakistan Players.

PPL Talk about the 50K found in his room.

Majeed was helping the players getting some sort of endorsement deals ..... can the police/SY differentiate between the money made from Endorsement deals and Fixing ?

I'm no way defending Butt & Co.

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^ I don't believe endorsement money is handed out as 'cash', esp such large amount.

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you both didn’t really see my point…IF THEY WERE MARKED…THEN CASE CLOSED FOR SY…ALL THEY NEED is to show that the money exchanged hands for he SOLE purpose of a payment for fixing.
My point and suspicion is that the supposed “markings” are not what SY and CPS thought at the beginning..hence..they couldn’t press charges as of Yet…and this is not a case in UK courts…
To me more likely, Salman was paid, but he knew there was no way to prove the REASON for having the money hence he just kept the CASH to smuggle into Pakistan illegally.
And now SY and CPS are probably pursuing to prove through bill notes, phone conversations or other that the money was INFACT a payment for fixing. This is where they may or may not have the evidence as of yet.

Aftab Gul stated that Majeed is back on the streets and roaming free in UK…that is a clear sign that SY and CPS faced a dead end…hence they couldn’t incarcerate Majeed.

out on bail and still not behind bars…