As i said before Army is not bound to follow any order from any Normal gali Muhlahh Court, The only Court Army follows is Army Court, So you can say all you want about your own courts but that will not change the fact that they cant make Army do what they want...
Sorry, but you're wrong again. I know about Uniform Code of Military Justice, but the SC as a court of last resort (not the military courts) have general jurisdiction on all matters civil, military & constitutional. Military court system only deals with criminal matters within military.
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Sorry, but you're wrong again. I know about Uniform Code of Military Justice, but the SC as a court of last resort (not the military courts) have general jurisdiction on all matters civil, military & constitutional. Military court system only deals with criminal matters within military.
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Here you got yourself wrong, Ok tell me Just One Case, Where Army Personal is Summoned in the SC ? Supreme Court is the Last Resort for Civilian Matters it has nothing to do with Army, Nor it can Force Army to do anything.
Pakistan Says Courts Run By Its Military Are Illegal
Published: February 18, 1999
The Supreme Court ruled today that special military courts set up by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to crack down on terrorism in the port city of Karachi are illegal.
In a unanimous verdict, the nine-judge court ordered that cases pending in the military courts be transferred to existing antiterrorism courts or other courts to be established within the law, officials said.
Mr. Sharif set up the military courts in December in an effort to stem the years of political, sectarian and ethnic violence that have left more than 3,000 people dead in Karachi, the country’s commercial hub.
The courts aimed to provide speedy trials for criminals. By today they had sentenced 13 people to death, and two convicts had been executed.
Ruling that military courts ‘‘are unconstitutional, without lawful authority and of no legal effect,’’ the country’s highest court set aside the death sentences and other prison terms already handed down by the military courts.
The high court acknowledged, however, that terrorism had exacted a heavy toll in lives and on the economy, and provided guidelines for speedy trials in terrorism cases within the framework of the Constitution.
It directed special courts to pronounce judgment within seven days, and said the high court would rule on appeals within seven days of filing.
The Chief Justice of Pakistan is to nominate judges from the Supreme Court to monitor implementation of the guidelines.
The military courts were set up after Mr. Sharif dismissed his party-led provincial government in southern Sindh province and imposed direct governor’s rule there in October.
He also ordered a crackdown on criminals and terrorist gangs in Karachi, the province’s capital.
Mr. Sharif took the step after a series of high-profile murders, including the killing of the former provincial Governor, Hakim Muhammad Saeed, in September.
He accused his coalition partner, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, of involvement in violence and acts of terrorism.
The movement, which represents immigrants from India who settled in urban Sindh after the 1947 partition, denied the charges.
The party, refusing to hand over suspects wanted by the police, quit its alliance with the Government and described Mr. Sharif’s action as a conspiracy to crush the movement.
Leaders of the movement expressed delight over the verdict and dozens of supporters thronged the party’s headquarters in Karachi and distributed sweets, witnesses said.
The authorities had referred 119 cases to the military courts, involving those active in the movement and in its breakaway Haqiqi faction, and in Sindhi nationalist parties.
The coordinator of the private Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, Mozzam Ali, also praised the ban on military courts. ‘‘We welcome this decision,’’ he said.
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Thank God for Google. What would we do with it?
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As i thought you didn't even bothered to read what i said,
i said SC cannot Force Army do anything................. Remember it. no matter what ever SC says, it dosent matter anything in the Eye of Army. Army will do what ever it wants to save this country. & SC cannot do anything to STOP it.
Well, you also said this implying as if Mushrraf 2nd pco was still valid.
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Hope it helps, and this order can only be canceled by Army Chief, political government can't do anything else, except pass the 3rd Nov action as valid !
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As i thought you didn't even bothered to read what i said,
i said SC cannot Force Army do anything.................
Oh, yes, I did. :D I guess you did not read...The SC over ruled military courts & over turned the verdicts issued by the military courts. That was the point. In your previous post you were saying the SC doesn't have the power to over rule military courts.
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Oh, yes, I did. I guess you did not read...The SC over ruled military courts & over turned the verdicts issued by the military courts. That was the point. In your previous post you were saying the SC doesn't have the power to over rule military courts.
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I said Sc does not have power to Force Army to make or Alter any decision, .... read it again may be you get it this time........
Army does not require a constitution to occupy a country, when the British occupied India they did nto have a consitution allowing them to occupy it.
If all what you are saying is that law of jungle still exists in Pakistan and the powerfl can dictate the terms, i agree with you. But if you are trying to make us beleive that a document exists allowing army to overthrow political governments then that was very pathetic attempt of doing it and in the process you made yourself look stupid.
Army does not require a constitution to occupy a country, when the British occupied India they did nto have a consitution allowing them to occupy it.
If all what you are saying is that law of jungle still exists in Pakistan and the powerfl can dictate the terms, i agree with you. But if you are trying to make us beleive that a document exists allowing army to overthrow political governments then that was very pathetic attempt of doing it and in the process you made yourself look stupid.
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Right now you the the one who is make himself look like stupid, Me & Firenze have given countless proofs of existence of this document, & i dont know Y your Brain is not accepting it, You have the liberty to think whatever you want but that wont change the reality.
& i said it beofre & will say it again that you dont know know that much about Army to claim anything which is only in the Army knowledge.
you can satisfy yourself & your Politicians with this excuse that such thing dosent exist but, Will it change anything ?? , No it will not , Army still holds the power do do anything which they feel is in the Greater interest of the country, & NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT FACT. & no one can change this simple fact, Not you , Not i , not any pathetic Politician , Not any Court ......
Right now you the the one who is make himself look like stupid,** Me & Firenze have given countless proofs of existence of this document**, & i dont know Y your Brain is not accepting it, You have the liberty to think whatever you want but that wont change the reality.
& i said it beofre & will say it again that you dont know know that much about Army to claim anything which is only in the Army knowledge.
you can satisfy yourself & your Politicians with this excuse that such thing dosent exist but, Will it change anything ?? , No it will not , Army still holds the power do do anything which they feel is in the Greater interest of the country, & NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT FACT. & no one can change this simple fact, Not you , Not i , not any pathetic Politician , Not any Court ......
...Me & Firenze have given countless proofs of existence of this document, & i dont know Y your Brain is not accepting it...No it will not , Army still holds the power do do anything which they feel is in the Greater interest of the country, & NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT FACT. & no one can change this simple fact, Not you , Not i , not any pathetic Politician , Not any Court ......
Contless proofs? Where? You are just making up suff & have no clue what you're talking about. We're talking about the rule of law here. You're talking about raw power of the military. Those are 2 different things & its understandable since you worship corrupt generals & have hard time understanding the concept of rule of law. The civilized nations are based on rule of law & Banana Republics are based on military rule. Thanks to our army we're in same league now as many of 3rd world countries, like those in Africa.
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Contless proofs? Where? You are just making up suff & have no clue what you're talking about. We're talking about the rule of law here. You're talking about raw power of the military. Those are 2 different things & its understandable since you worship corrupt generals & have hard time understanding the concept of rule of law. The civilized nations are based on rule of law & Banana Republics are based on military rule. Thanks to our army we're in same league now as many of 3rd world countries, like those in Africa.
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You My Friend have no idea what you talking about, I dont Dont Worsip Corrupt politicians Who only know how to loot this county which on the other hand you seems to do , I do Respect all those who have made sacrifices For this Country, & i can Prove that Every Militry Era was batter then any of th edemocratic Era, Should I..................
You Can say All you want But as i say again the fact will not change that you cannot make Army do what ever you want, Which it seems to be a big hurdle in the way of Politicians , as Army has & Will Stop them when they try to get out of Control......
^ Yeah, thats how the military works. Threatening civilians to keep 'in control'.
The generals are loyal dogs to USA. It isn't a coincidence that as soon as we get a democratic government, the 'foreign aid' stops, insurgents mysteriously arise and relations with India start deteriorating.
Every country has its share of corrupt politicians. We don't see Indian military taking over the control every 8 years. How do you expect democratic institutions to mature if you don't let them go on for a while.
The military elite is Pakistani, or are the generals specially sent from the heavens? They can run army, government, power projects, housing societies, fertilizer plants, financial institutions,.. heck, even beaches!
If they had just concentrated on the job they are supposed to, we would not be in the mess we are!
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The generals are loyal dogs to USA. It isn't a coincidence that as soon as we get a democratic government, the 'foreign aid' stops, insurgents mysteriously arise and relations with India start deteriorating.
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& Since they generals are at USA side , even then USA is been able to take a Glimps of our Nukes, just Think from you mind sometimes, Even US media says that we cant Trust Pakistani Army,
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Every country has its share of corrupt politicians. We don't see Indian military taking over the control every 8 years. How do you expect democratic institutions to mature if you don't let them go on for a while.
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As i told before Democracy have been given enough time, What will you about the Period between 1988 & 1999 There was not Military Interruption....... So what do you say 11 years is long period to mature something....... DONT YOU THINK
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The military elite is Pakistani, or are the generals specially sent from the heavens? They can run army, government, power projects, housing societies, fertilizer plants, financial institutions,.. heck, even beaches!
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I advice you to read my previous posts so you will get the idea about Prijects,
& about beaches... ... care to show me some sort of Proof or something, or is just wild imagination of your Political mind??
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If they had just concentrated on the job they are supposed to, we would not be in the mess we are!
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If they haven't concentrated on the job , then yes we may not have been in such a mess , bcoz there wouldn't have been any thing left.
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Yes, indeed & we may even have the half of the country we lost thanks to our corrupt generals
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That was to doing of your Beloved Zulifiqar Ali Bhutto. Not of any general...............
11 years is certainly not at all long enough time to mature. Specially when you continuously influence the democratic process through coalitions like IJI.
You said the projects are there to support Army budget. I only asked give me an example of a country where military is running industries, financial institutions and housing projects. They have a budget and they concentrate on their jobs. If politicians are all corrupt, why could e.g. Mushi not prosecute any ONE of them under corruption charges? That’s the legal way of dealing with corruption, not issuing an NRO.
This thread was not about these things anyways. Its just that military has powers to override the constitution in extreme emergency situations like invasion from an enemy. Emergency situations do not include ‘I feel like running the country’ or ‘lets play amendment amendment’. What gives a general right to play with the constitution is that he has a gun and no brain.
I think I am a patriotic Pakistani. I love my country and I am sure everyone does. Its just that I am sick and tired of this ‘holy cow’ c***. Military is just an institution of state and it should remain so.
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11 years is certainly not at all long enough time to mature. Specially when you continuously influence the democratic process through coalitions like IJI
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So was this the Best Democracy could do, 11 years not enough to mature , you got to be kidding me, the longest tenure of Army was also 11 years & Pakistan made record progress in that period, When ever Army came they Made pakistan a batter Place to stay 7& invest, but on the other jand when ever the politicans came , they also made Pakistan a batter place but just for them selves & their Party only..........
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You said the projects are there to support Army budget. I only asked give me an example of a country where military is running industries, financial institutions and housing projects. They have a budget and they concentrate on their jobs. If politicians are all corrupt, why could e.g. Mushi not prosecute any ONE of them under corruption charges? That's the legal way of dealing with corruption, not issuing an NRO.
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If you dont know about army then dont talk about it, almost all the countries in the world have this setup, they save some amount from their budget & invest it to obtain Profit so there should be less burden on any Economy.
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KO :: The sad state of Karachi beaches I know this is not an authentic source but any karachi resident will not deny this.
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Then please Provide any Authentic Source, & dont live karachi & i certainly cant confirm it........
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This thread was not about these things anyways. Its just that military has powers to override the constitution in extreme emergency situations like invasion from an enemy. Emergency situations do not include 'I feel like running the country' or 'lets play amendment amendment'. What gives a general right to play with the constitution is that he has a gun and no brain.
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The same Right, which give the Right to a Politician to amend any thing they want in constitution, Who care what happens to a constituion like this , if this country is Progressing without a constitution then its fine with me, & if a country is Suffering bcoz of its Constitution then Constitution like that should be thrown into the Fire,....
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I think I am a patriotic Pakistani. I love my country and I am sure everyone does. Its just that I am sick and tired of this 'holy cow' c***. Military is just an institution of state and it should remain so.
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I dont want want to comment on your Patriotism, just wansa say this,
"any person who don't honor the Sacrifices of its defenders, has no right to Judge them"
