"any person who don't honor the Sacrifices of its defenders, has no right to Judge them"
Any soldier who gets involved in politics deserves to be judged. As saying go, a good solider never enters politics.
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Any soldier who gets involved in politics deserves to be judged. As saying go, a good solider never enters politics.
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& you think they should stay away , & watch the country being Destroyed by Politicians ?? , Sorry mate but this concept of yours make no sense..
Any soldier who gets involved in politics deserves to be judged. As saying go, a good solider never enters politics.
A soldier only involved when politicians
& you think they should stay away , & watch the country being Destroyed by Politicians ?? , Sorry mate but this concept of yours make no sense..
Champ, the road goes two way, i respect Pak Army more then anything the reason can be my father was in Army too. But indeed their is also some problems with the Army too, too much secrecy, what's the name of our commanding officer in Swat?
Why not army spell out what is fauji foundation doing? Isn't foundations like fauji are in every country? .. Alot of this kind a questions can be answered with just one press conference, so the speculations can go to hell !..
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Champ, the road goes two way, i respect Pak Army more then anything the reason can be my father was in Army too. But indeed their is also some problems with the Army too, too much secrecy, what's the name of our commanding officer in Swat?
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Sometimes Secrecy is the best weapon & the state in Which Pakistan is right now We need it more then anything, I would love to tell you the Name of CO in swat, but due to some reasons i cant, you see those people also have a family.. if you get my point.
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Why not army spell out what is fauji foundation doing? Isn't foundations like fauji are in every country? .. Alot of this kind a questions can be answered with just one press conference, so the speculations can go to hell !..
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Fauji Foundation is Audited every year by Auditor General, so there shouldn't be any doubt about it, since AG is a Civilian Authority.
I hope you get my point....
A soldier only involved when politicians
Champ, the road goes two way, i respect Pak Army more then anything the reason can be my father was in Army too. But indeed their is also some problems with the Army too, too much secrecy, what's the name of our commanding officer in Swat?
Why not army spell out what is fauji foundation doing? Isn't foundations like fauji are in every country? .. Alot of this kind a questions can be answered with just one press conference, so the speculations can go to hell !..
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about again. PML[N], JI, PTI, JUI (Sami) are all onboard the Long March. Seriously, dude stop repeating this factually inaccurate drivel again and again.
Dude i use the word APDM-Platform.
Enjoy, this was in yesterday newspaper (express):
& you think they should stay away , & watch the country being Destroyed by Politicians ?? , Sorry mate but this concept of yours make no sense..
No, they should do their job & that is to defend the country frontiers & not run it. Pakistan was no created by generals, but generals are responsible for its current state. Every problem today can be traced back to army rule including creation of jihadi monster, destruction of civil institutions, politicization of religions & brainwashing of so many young men who have become the biggest threat to Pakistan internally.
A soldier only involved when politicians
As if army rule has been so brilliant that milk and honey were flowing down the streets. You should tell this to people who are not familiar with country or its history & the army rule.
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No, they should do their job & that is to defend the country frontiers & not run it. Pakistan was no created by generals, but generals are responsible for its current state. Every problem today can be traced back to army rule including creation of jihadi monster, destruction of civil institutions, politicization of religions & brainwashing of so many young men who have become the biggest threat to Pakistan internally.
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If you start think from your mind & read the history you will know who did the most damage to Pakistan , generals or Politicians, then surly you will not need my answer , or if you cant do so, i will be pleased to Tell you that.
If you start think from your mind & read the history you will know who did the most damage to Pakistan , generals or Politicians, then surly you will not need my answer , or if you cant do so, i will be pleased to Tell you that.
Well, lets see who did the most damage, looking at the last 40 years.
General Yahya Khan - break up of Pakistan, formation of Bangladesh, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers captured by India.
General Zia - Induction of Pakistani youth into a US sponsored war in Afghanistan, heroin and Klashinkof culture, death of thousands of youth in Afghanistan
General Musharraf - brought two nuclear powers on verge of war, worst ever militancy that country ever witnessed (Taliban) occured during his regime, US attacks on Pakistani soil began
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The worst crime of those generals has been that they promoted petty thugs as politicians, Bureaucrats and judges and did not prosecute them under corruption charges. They used instruments like NROs and 'deals' to protect corruption which is the fundamental 'evil' they cite for taking over power in the first place!
They are accomplice in politicians' crimes. If you promote corruption yourself, how can you expect the 'civilian' government to be naik-parveen!
Well, lets see who did the most damage, looking at the last 40 years.
General Yahya Khan - break up of Pakistan, formation of Bangladesh, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers captured by India.
General Zia - Induction of Pakistani youth into a US sponsored war in Afghanistan, heroin and Klashinkof culture, death of thousands of youth in Afghanistan
General Musharraf - brought two nuclear powers on verge of war, worst ever militancy that country ever witnessed (Taliban) occured during his regime, US attacks on Pakistani soil began
Everyone have arguments regarding these general too, for example:
1) break up of Pakistan was not started by Yahya, it was started years ago, even at that time when Quaid-e-Azam said urdu is national language. The last nail in the coffin was when ZAB didn't accept the elections results, So what army has to do with it ?
2) Lets say if General Zia didn't start the gureilla or covert war against Russia in Afghainstan then where will be the Pakistan today? in pieces ?
3) Taliban accure in Benazir tenture, read history first, Talibans was our darling babies in back days, today they are terrorists .. again nothing to do with Musharraf he didn;'t create them? ..
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Well, lets see who did the most damage, looking at the last 40 years.
General Yahya Khan - break up of Pakistan, formation of Bangladesh, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers captured by India.
General Zia - Induction of Pakistani youth into a US sponsored war in Afghanistan, heroin and Klashinkof culture, death of thousands of youth in Afghanistan
General Musharraf - brought two nuclear powers on verge of war, worst ever militancy that country ever witnessed (Taliban) occured during his regime, US attacks on Pakistani soil began
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It has already been answered by wine, so i dont want to do it twice,
Anyway , do didnt stated a single point that proves Army was worse then Politicians, you know Y , Bcoz you didn't have any.....
Everyone have arguments regarding these general too, for example:
1) break up of Pakistan was not started by Yahya, it was started years ago, even at that time when Quaid-e-Azam said urdu is national language. The last nail in the coffin was when ZAB didn't accept the elections results, So what army has to do with it ?
2) Lets say if General Zia didn't start the gureilla or covert war against Russia in Afghainstan then where will be the Pakistan today? in pieces ?
3) Taliban accure in Benazir tenture, read history first, Talibans was our darling babies in back days, today they are terrorists .. again nothing to do with Musharraf he didn;'t create them? ..
1- Yahya was preceded by another military dictator Ayub Khan, no wonder. Humilitaing defeat of Pak army occured during Yahya's leadership.
2- Not at all, Zia, did not need to promote the Jihad mentality into Pakistani youth, nor did he need to start the Jihad in Kashmir, India in retaliation started another proxy war in Karachi by sponsoring MQM terrorism.
3- Taliban In Pakistan surfaced during Musharraf and their growing influence and military strength also occured during Musharraf's regime. It was Musharraf' s time that we saw an army being humbled by rag tag militia.
........1) break up of Pakistan was not started by Yahya,....
Yes that's true.
Yahya's fault was to allow Mujib and Bhutto to live. He should have hanged these Ullu kay pathays.
It happened anyways. Mujib was turned into a big heap of minced meat by BDeshis. And not only him, but all of his alulad too. Only one daughter survived who too has lead BDesh from one crisis to another. BDeshis were smart enough not to let Mujib live for too long after 1971.
Bhutto was even worse. He destroyed our schools, banks, and industry in the name of socialism aka Islamo-Fascism. All of his kids ended up following their dad's turbulent lifestyle because none of them was smart enough to bring peace to Pakistan.
So yes army is responsible that they let these nut cases live for too long. As a result both Bhutto and Mujib utterly destroyed their own regions.
You are missing the point here, problems was created by someone else, but have to handle by Army. Please read regarding army operation in East Pakistan:
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If he didn’t promote the Jihad mentality in to Pakistani youth, how he going to get man power, If he didn’t get ready the people of Pakistan to fight with Soviet then how Pakistan should be existed? Nations have to pay price for their survival !
Sir Swat problem is their from the 1974, as far as FATA concerned local groups was always existed their. FATA area’s are known as “Aalaaqa Gaair” from the existence of Pakistan.
Pak Army never got defeated by rag tag militia in NWFP, Pak army only fully deployed in Swat, rest are all FC. Google FC & regular army difference !