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Are you asking why there are rapes in the West when it is such a sexually liberal society? Well, that’s a big generalization, but still, I do think that there are far more opportunities for pre-marital sex and that is certainly more acceptable.

That’s why I think that rape isn’t about sexual desire. It is about power, control, subjugation, and oppression. It is a weapon, a form of attack, rebellion, revenge, etc. That’s why it can occur even when consentual sex is an option.

Rape may look like sex, and lust may be an aspect of it, but it is not the reason for it.

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The more this ume-zafraan opens her mouth, the more nonsense pours out of it.

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but in west if they aldready are in zina doing sex without marriage than why they rape ladies in hijab or not?If they are so comfortable with their lives than why they do things like that?
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Like WTF. Just because in the third world countries (generally speaking) Sex is considered more as a reproductive act rather then intimate doesnt mean Rape and Sex are the same thing.

Having sex and being raped are two different things.

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curious? ..but is this in reference to that maulvi & what he said from sydney?

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Pay attention please :smilestar:

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I bet their are priests and rabbis who say the same, shame that only people like this only get attention when they are affiliated with islam.

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shame or no shame, public attention or not attention, the fact remains that this dude was way off base. strip away the political kabbadi and what nots and at the core here is a fairly idiotic speech.

If rabbis and priests do stupid shyt and say stupid crap, that should be no excuse for our imams to be so crude.

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to aap ke moo se kon sa phool jarrh rahay hain…
u think insulting others like this makes u look ‘cool’???

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Being Cool has got nothing to do with whats being discussed here.

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what is being discussed here is this 3rd world tribalism that has seeped into Islam like a cancer and now some how has become the official representation of islam

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Oh my God. I love this statemtent. So well put.

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JAZAKALLAH

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I think so you don't have any knowledge of hadees where covering your head is not a tradition.If you have read hadees and fiqhs then you should know that all the imams have gathered on one thing that atleast women can show her hands and face only.Please know a little about Islam before commenting on it as you say

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Please give me examples where the Prophet Muhammed advocated that women should cover their head....

Anything which came after Prophet Muhammed death is a humanistic interpretation of Islam and not God's decree

Covering your head or hijab is a Persian tradition which was incorporated into Islam as it fit the tribal customs of that era after the Arab conquest of Persia in 7th Century....

It was abandoned during the Islamic empire's peak in civilization, education during the 10th and 11th Century but was brought back again in the 15th Century after the Ottoman Empire conquered the Arab Empire....

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m2k weren't u supporting women walking around on stage well face it like "peaces of meat?"

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**Surah An-Nur, Verses 30 and 31
‘And Say to the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bossoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim women) (i.e. sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful’

It is apparent that upon a plain reading the purpose of the verse is to eradicate promiscuity, fornication and adultery and all the preliminary steps that lead directly to the commission of such shameful acts. The references to ‘lowering their gaze’, ‘drawing their veils over their bosoms’ and ‘striking their feet to draw attention’ indicate that all acts or omissions which in the ordinary course leads directly to sexual promiscuity and FITNAH are forbidden.
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=7769**
**you can read this link also **

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Is it necessary for a woman to cover her face in the presence of strangers (who are not her designated Mahaarim) according to Shariáh?
This question is answered in this article in the context of the claim that the veil or Niqaab is primarily 'a social requirement and custom according to the environment and custom, and according to the environment and customs of a particular country.' In endeavouring to answer the question, we will confine ourselves to a brief examination of the relevant Qurãnic verses.

Surah An-Nur, Verses 30 and 31
'And Say to the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bossoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim women) (i.e. sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful'

It is apparent that upon a plain reading the purpose of the verse is to eradicate promiscuity, fornication and adultery and all the preliminary steps that lead directly to the commission of such shameful acts. The references to 'lowering their gaze', 'drawing their veils over their bosoms' and 'striking their feet to draw attention' indicate that all acts or omissions which in the ordinary course leads directly to sexual promiscuity and FITNAH are forbidden.

In order to totally eradicate sexual promiscuity and FITNAH, the verse goes on to say that a woman is not permitted to display her beauty and charms except in degrees to her husband, father and the other classes of person specified in the verse. The exempt class would constitute the MAHAARIM, and any other would qualify as strangers or GHAIR MAHRAM. The principle fixed by the verse is, therefore that a woman cannot display her beauty to any male person other than the persons exempted by the verse. It goes without saying that the face is the focal-point of a woman's beauty, and the main source of attraction. Hence, the face of a woman cannot be displayed or shown to a stranger in normal circumstances whether in public or private according to the general principle fixed by the verse as stated above. She is permitted to display her beauty to the exempt class (the MAHAARIM) for obvious reasons of close contact, and because of the considerably lesser danger of sexual promiscuity and FITNAH within that class. (Zamakhshari)

The Shariáh, however, is practical, dynamic and takes into account the real situations of life. A woman may in the case of genuine need be forced to expose her face in the presence of strangers. For example, when she appears in court to give witness, etc.

It is against this background that the preceding portion of the verse 'they should not display their beauty and charms except what must ordinarily appear unavoidable' falls into proper perspective. The words 'Illaa maa dhahara min'haa' are in context an exception to the general rule, and cover those cases of genuine need and necessity when a woman is forced to expose her face in the presence of a stranger. That is how the great commentators of the Noble Qurãn have interpreted the verse.

Take the following two examples,

'Women must not display any part of their beauty and charms to strangers except what cannot possibly be concealed.' (Ibn Katheer)

'Why is the woman permitted to display her external beauty and charms? Because to conceal that would cause her inconvinience. A woman is forced to deal in commodities with her own hands. She is compelled by genuine need to expose her face especially at the times of giving evidence, litigating in court and marriage. She is compelled to walk the streets and expose her feet, especially poor women. This is the meaning of 'illaa maa dhahara min'haa' that is 'except what the situations of ordinary life compel her to expose'. (Zamakhshari)

A further point is the interpretation of 'illaa maa dhahara min'haa' has been highlighted by the well known scholar, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA). He states that the verb used is that of the first form 'dhahara' and not 'adhhar' which in forth form signifies a deliberate exposure or display. The use of 'maa dhahara' indicates that the exposure of the face is confined to need. (Imdaadul Fataawa vol. 4 p. 181)

It follows from the aforegoing that upon a proper interpretation of the verse the face and hands of a woman can only be exposed to strangers in a situation of genuine need where concealment would cause her serious inconvinience. However, genuine need is not open to wide interpretations.

SURA AL-AHZAAB - VERSE 53
'...And when you ask them for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen...'

The meaning of this verse is clear: the companions of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) were ordered to communicate with the wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) from behind a screen and not directly face to face. It is obvious that this instruction is not limited to the wives of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaau Álayhi Wasallam). The verse has general application and the fact that the noble wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) are specifically mentioned emphasises the importance of the subject matter. The distinguished jurist, Abubakar Jassa (RA) in his Ahkaamul Qurãn states:

'This order, although revealed specifically in relation to the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is general in application because we are ordered to follow him.'

Similarly, the well known commentator of the Noble Qurãn, Imaam Qurtubi (RA) in his Al-Jamia li Ahkaamul Qurãn states:

'All women are in effect covered by the terms of the verse which embraces the Sharée principle that the whole of a woman is 'Áwrah' (to be concealed) - her body and voice, as mentioned previously. It is not permissible to expose those parts except in the case of need, such as the giving of evidence...'

SURAH AL-AHZAAB - VERSE 59
'O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way)...'

In his commentary to this verse, Allama Abubakar Jassas (RA) states the following:

'This verse proves that a young woman is ordered to cover her face from strangers, and to manifest SATR and modesty in public so that doubtful people may not be desirous of her.'

It is sufficient to quote the following authentic commentators in their interpretation of the verse:

'They (women), shall cover their faces and bodies with their outer garment when they appear in public for a valid reason.'

'They shall cover their faces and...'

Ibn Ábbaas (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) states that the Muslim women are ordered to cover their head and faces with outer garments except for one eye.'

And Allah Taãla Knows Best.

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i wasnt supporting it but I was against the outrage it sparked in the islamic community

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and exactly where does it say that women have to cover their heads?

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M2k you are very westernized and modern so i don't have words to explain to you :)

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i'm sick of this bs, does this even affect u or anyone else, y concern urselves over this when there r much more serious things going on out there, shows how this society is evolving, when one unimportant mans statement becomes a ferocious debate when others r dying daily, and we r living in our own demented little worlds worried about idiotic things, im sick of GS, what is this crap...time time again..this always happens...****in do sumthing...instead of typing it on the internet where it makes no difference whatsoever.