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u didn;t write anything mr afridi
but
now i am out i have said what i have and now i won't disscuss it anymore
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please open your eyes and do some research on islam...
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Islamic headgear is not essential
By Amir Taheri (August 19, 2003)
France’s Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin has just appointed a committee to draft a law to ban the Islamist hijab (headgear) in state-owned establishments, including schools and hospitals. The decision has drawn fire from the French “church” of Islam, an organisation created by Raffarin’s government last spring.
Germany is facing its hijab problem with a number of Islamist organisations suing federal and state authorities for “religious discrimination” because of bans imposed on the controversial headgear.
In the United States several Muslim women are suing airport security firms for having violated their first amendment rights by asking them to take off their hijab during routine searches of passengers.
All these and other cases are based on the claim that the controversial headgear is an essential part of the Muslim faith and that attempts at banning it constitute an attack on Islam.
That claim is totally false. The headgear in question has nothing to do with Islam as a religion. It is not sanctioned anywhere in the Koran, the fundamental text of Islam, or the hadith (traditions) attributed to the Prophet.
This headgear was invented in the early 1970s by Mussa Sadr, an Iranian mullah who had won the leadership of the Lebanese Shiite community.
In an interview in 1975 in Beirut, Sadr told this writer that the hijab he had invented was inspired by the headgear of Lebanese Catholic nuns, itself inspired by that of Christian women in classical Western paintings. (A casual visit to the National Gallery in London, the Metropolitan Museum in New York, or the Louvres in Paris, would reveal the original of the neo-Islamist hijab in numerous paintings depicting Virgin Mary and other female figures from the Old and New Testament.)
Sadr’s idea was that, by wearing the headgear, Shiite women would be clearly marked out, and thus spared sexual harassment, and rape, by Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian gunmen who at the time controlled southern Lebanon.
Sadr’s neo-hijab made its first appearance in Iran in 1977 as a symbol of Islamist-Marxist opposition to the Shah’s regime. When the mullahs seized power in Tehran in 1979, the number of women wearing the hijab exploded into tens of thousands.
In 1981, Abol-Hassan Bani-Sadr, the first president of the Islamic Republic, announced that “scientific research had shown that women’s hair emitted rays that drove men insane” (sic). To protect the public, the new Islamist regime passed a law in 1982 making the hijab mandatory for females aged above six, regardless of religious faith. Violating the hijab code was made punishable by 100 lashes of the cane and six months imprisonment.
By the mid-1980s a form of hijab never seen in Islam before the 1970s had become standard gear for millions of women all over the world, including Europe and America.
Some younger Muslims women, especially Western converts, were duped into believing that the neo-hijab was an essential part of the faith. (Katherine Bullock, a Canadian, so loved the idea of covering her hair that she converted to Islam while studying the hijab.)
The garb is designed to promote gender Apartheid. It covers the woman’s ears so that she does not hear things properly. Styled like a hood, it prevents the woman from having full vision of her surroundings. It also underlines the concept of woman as object, all wrapped up and marked out.
Muslim women, like women in all societies, had covered their head with a variety of gears over the centuries. These had such names as lachak, chador, rusari, rubandeh, chaqchur, maqne’a, and picheh among others.
All had tribal, ethnic and generally folkloric origins and were never associated with religion. (In Senegal, Muslim women wear a colourful headgear against the sun, while working in the fields, but go topless.)
Muslim women could easily check the fraudulent nature of the neo-Islamist hijab by leafing through their family albums. They will not find the picture of a single female ancestor of theirs who wore the cursed headgear now marketed as an absolute “must” of Islam.
This fake Islamic hijab is nothing but a political prop, a weapon of visual terrorism. It is the symbol of a totalitarian ideology inspired more by Nazism and Communism than by Islam. It is as symbolic of Islam as the Mao uniform was of Chinese civilisation. It is used as a means of exerting pressure on Muslim women who do not wear it because they do not share the sick ideology behind it. It is a sign of support for extremists who wish to impose their creed, first on Muslims, and then on the entire world through psychological pressure, violence, terror, and, ultimately, war. The tragedy is that many of those who wear it are not aware of its implications. They do so because they have been brainwashed into believing that a woman cannot be a “good Muslim” without covering her head with the Sadr-designed hijab.
Even today, less than one per cent of Muslim women wear the hijab that has bewitched some Western liberals as a symbol of multicultural diversity.
The hijab debate in Europe and the US comes at a time that the controversial headgear is seriously questioned in Iran, the only country to impose it by law.
Last year the Islamist regime authorized a number of girl colleges in Tehran to allow students to discard the hijab while inside school buildings. The experiment was launched after a government study identified the hijab as the cause of “widespread depression and falling academic standards” and even suicide among teen-age girls.
The Ministry of Education in Tehran has just announced that the experiment will be extended to other girls schools next month when the new academic year begins. Schools where the hijab was discarded have shown “real improvements” in academic standards reflected in a 30 per cent rise in the number of students obtaining the highest grades.
Meanwhile, several woman members of the Iranian Islamic Majlis (parliament) are preparing a draft to raise the legal age for wearing the hijab from six to 12, thus sparing millions of children the trauma of having their heads covered.
Another sign that the Islamic Republic may be softening its position on hijab is a recent decision to allow the employees of state-owned companies outside Iran to discard the hijab. (The new rule has enabled hundreds of women, working for Iran-owned companies in Paris, London, and other European capitals, for example, to go to work without the cursed hijab.)
The delicious irony of militant Islamists asking “Zionist-Crusader” courts in France, Germany and the United States to decide what is “Islamic” and what is not, will not be missed. The judges and the juries who will be asked to decide the cases should know that hey are dealing not with Islam, which is a religious faith, but with Islamism, which is a political doctrine.
The hijab-wearing militants have a right to promote their political ideology. But they have no right to speak in the name of Islam.
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read tafseer ibne-kaseer or mariful quran:) please
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i have read the Quran over 10 times and I read it during every Ramadan
But I have read it in english since I dont understand Arabic...
while most people in Pakistan read Quran in Arabic and don't understand a word of what it says and rely on jihal imams with loudspeakers for interpretations
and whese imams are funded by Arab countries who have whabbist interpretations and that gets passed down to the Pakistani population as being the authentic version of Islam instead of it being seeped in tribalism and pre-islamic arab traditions
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I told you the ayaats so what more can i do ? ITs not necessary a hijab but one must cover her head.I don't think so you will ever agree on that neither do i.
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But I have read it in english since I dont understand Arabic...
while most people in Pakistan read Quran in Arabic and don't understand a word of what it says and rely on jihal imams with loudspeakers for interpretations
and whese imams are funded by Arab countries who have whabbist interpretations and that gets passed down to the Pakistani population as being the authentic version of Islam instead of it being seeped in tribalism and pre-islamic arab traditions
i have also read the translation of quran but i think so and i believe that we cannot understand quran all by ourselves .ok if u want to listen english version listen to SHEIKH AHMED DEEDAAT HE WAS CONVERTED MUSLIM AND BEFORE THAT HE WAS A PRIEST.TAFSEER IBNE KASEER IS IN ARABIC AND IBNE KASEER WAS ARAB AND MOR IMAM MALIK WAS FROM MADINAH AND HIS BOOK MAUTA IS IN ARABIC AND HAS A ENG. VERSION
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Covering your head is not a part of Islam, it never was and never will be.
Its an Arabic, Persian tradition and women who covered their heads in the Persian Empire were seen as of higher social class or more rich and well off.
Those Ayaats say that women must dress modestly and everything else is men's interpretations on how it is further implemented.
Pretty much like the Council of Nicea where Bishops, Cardinals, Priests all met to set down laws on Christianity.
Muslims reinforced their tribal traditions by twisting the words of Islam to something which they were already accustomed to.
Do you mean to tell me that before Islam, women in Arabia did not cover their heads, or no veil, or women could not travel without a male companion to serve as a protector?
And weren't some of these rules written during a time when Arabia was a brutal, savage place and infant girls were buried in the desert and women were seen as possession?
Don't you think that times have changed to a point where women no longer need to be guarded like jewellery?
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Its an Arabic, Persian tradition and women who covered their heads in the Persian Empire were seen as of higher social class or more rich and well off.
Those Ayaats say that women must dress modestly and everything else is men's interpretations on how it is further implemented.
Pretty much like the Council of Nicea where Bishops, Cardinals, Priests all met to set down laws on Christianity.
Muslims reinforced their tribal traditions by twisting the words of Islam to something which they were already accustomed to.
Do you mean to tell me that before Islam, women in Arabia did not cover their heads, or no veil, or women could not travel without a male companion to serve as a protector?
And weren't some of these rules written during a time when Arabia was a brutal, savage place and infant girls were buried in the desert and women were seen as possession?
Don't you think that times have changed to a point where women no longer need to be guarded like jewellery?
I know women don't need to be guarded like a jewelry but we have to obey islam.No matter how much time has changed trust me i was very modren first and now when i read then i changed:) but i think so its just the difference of opinion:)
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you are right they have to obey islam
but not the islam which has been changed, twisted to suit the needs of men
and trust me i know, i am a guy
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well i wear hijab and i cannot take it off so ALLAH HAFIZ:)
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I think the words/sentences which are written in bracket are human (I am open to be corrected if I am wrong) and after removing the text in brackets;
'And Say to the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful'
Guess what M2k is right.
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so basically that is what it comes down to
you don't want to listen to other people's opinion and you have firmly made up your mind on this issue
even though i have disproved that muslim women don't need to wear hijab
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^ Who are you disprove that Muslim women do not need to wear the Hijab.
Allaah says:
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers **to draw their cloaks all over their bodies**. That will be better, that they should be known, so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The bolded part clearly states what is required of a Muslim woman. This is what the Prophet taught to his companions, and this is what the Companions understood and acted upon, and this is what Muslims have been practicing all through out the centuries. Until recently, in the 19th century followers of Mohammad Abdu and Syed Ahmad Khan, started twisting the words of the Quran, and started giving whole new interpretations and meanings to the words of Quran.
No, you are the heretics, the deviants and the misguided. Its common sense that the Companions understood Allah words more perfectly than anyone, because they were right there with the Prophet. And your teachings are not the same as theirs. Hence you're the ignorant, and you shall not be listened.
Call it the third world tribalism, or whatever...but this is the Islam and this is what we follow.
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Hahahaha @ MUSLIM WOMEN DONT NEED TO WEAR THE HIJAAB!!
WHO ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MR?
Here we have mullah’s passing fatwahs now!
Talk about ignorance!!
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Allaah says:
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known, so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The bolded part clearly states what is required of a Muslim woman. This is what the Prophet taught to his companions, and this is what the Companions understood and acted upon, and this is what Muslims have been practicing all through out the centuries. Until recently, in the 19th century followers of Mohammad Abdu and Syed Ahmad Khan, started twisting the words of the Quran, and started giving whole new interpretations and meanings to the words of Quran.
No, you are the heretics, the deviants and the misguided. Its common sense that the Companions understood Allah words more perfectly than anyone, because they were right there with the Prophet. And your teachings are not the same as theirs. Hence you're the ignorant, and you shall not be listened.
Call it the third world tribalism, or whatever...but this is the Islam and this is what we follow.
jazakallah kher :) i don't need to speek anymore
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WHO ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MR?
Here we have mullah's passing fatwahs now!
Talk about ignorance!!
exactly:)
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WHO ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MR?
Here we have mullah's passing fatwahs now!
Talk about ignorance!!
maybe the fact its not a part of Islam and has been disproved
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you don't want to listen to other people's opinion and you have firmly made up your mind on this issue
even though i have disproved that muslim women don't need to wear hijab
i never agreed with you :) i am firm what i am doing is right:)
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your firmness is not based on Islamic principles but rather humans twisting the words of islam to suit thier own needs.....