No Need for a Warrant, You’re an Immigrant

No Need for a Warrant, You’re an Immigrant
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/weekinreview/14preston.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Humiliating yes, but also a reflection of just how bigoted the law enforcement and governance of this country is, how paranoid and what systematic agenda of degrading the same labor force without which the economy of the country will undoubtedly suffer.

any thoughts on if Muslim countries ever were to be just as strict in the incoming immigrants, how would it look and with what kind of a lambasting attitude that would be received??

Dushwari

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Dushwari, I dont think that there is a huge influx of immigrants coming to Pak...I could be wrong here but I dont think so.If they were to be stricter than they are now, then I think the small influx of immigrants would just stop.

Its a shame how immigrants are being treated in USA. But if you can step outside and look in, you'll see that its a big problem here that has been overlooked for a long time. And now that america has been made a target, now that there is so much violent hatred and wishes for death to americans, there is a much tougher stance on illegal immigrants and just immigrants in general.

Other countries, Islaamic countries, may not give new immigrants such a tough time when they come to live there. Its the people that do it. A gori immigrant to an islaamic land? they can be almost guaranteed to have troubles. As much as I love Pakistan and the way of life over there, I'd not immigrate due to fears of my "gori-ness" and the blue eyes of my sons.

There are many factors that contribute to the mistrust of new immigrants - just take a look at some of the recent posts about 9/11 and how some feel that it was the work of the jews. Look at the posts of those few who talk about America as if all the females are whores and the guys are drunkard rapists and nowhere here does a decent family life exist....
America is taking a protectionist stance and I dont think its entirely uncalled for.

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i hear you, Mama of 3. i mean it. and i accept and know you have the right to voice reverse stereotyping.
& yes, believe me that i always tell people, that among caucasians, everyone is not without morals in aspects of intimate relations, and self destructive behaviors such as drugs or drinking.
for that matter women in arabia, turkey, iran, and uae, and other places, are belly dancer, dancing to please men, they indulge in drinking and drugs, so do the world of men in these muslim countries. as a sister, please know not all Muslim women and men are hypocrites just like not all caucasians are.
selfrespecting women and men, be it any faith background, know how to protect them selves from immorality & they do, in any condition or at any place they might be, in east or in west.
but in the context of world power, if muslims were to have a protectionist stance, as you can see, across the hemisphere from africa to europe, where ever Muslim states are, plenty goes in the name of colonialism and capitalism that is uncalled for hegemony, exploitation and terror.
who is systematically doing and maintaining it, that, you know just as well as i do.
that said, anyone in ireland who is suffering due to irelanders, i have sympathy for, even though i am not irish.
anyone who is germany is a jew, and is being today even mocked at, i have sympathy for that person.
& when sterotypes coes out of the mouths of descendents of slave african americans, including epithets like white heads or trash, i have sympathy for caucasians.
NOT ALL muslims, go around judging people for their faith. some lack it and some dont practice including Muslims.

look at people as people.
and that priceless human interaction ethics, my very own faith taught me.
which i practice as well.
did it ever occur to you why the caucasian race is so over bearing in its self importance and influential basis of negotiations and power play, both in the world politics and in monetary control?
because it is terrorist.
not all people, but many.
and the in-education in both Muslims and non Muslims is the reason why they are misled by callous leaders - presidential govts or queens and kings, be it east or west.
you wont see whites being lined up and put through humiliation on a civilian basis as you saw in this article. would you?

search and cease has its lawful stipulations, which are hardly ever followed by american law enforcements and by and large they are following an agenda of harassment and humiliation, than precaution.

best,

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On the contrary, they live very happily there. Ask any gori who is living in a muslim country, if you don't know one, i can refer you to a few.

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I may be reading it wrong but it seems to be talking about illegals, sorry if i dont call them immigrants because they decided not to go thru the immigration process and follow immigration laws.

illegals are not accorded the same rights as citizens in any country from what I know. These chose to break the laws and to enter the country illegally while tens of thousands of people wait eayr after year filing form after form and getting all kinds of background and medical tests done to become legal residents.

so these are the people who chose to ignore the law, and are now complaining that they are nto been accorded the same rights that the same law provides to citizens and legal residents?

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or ji thread died due to an overdose of reality and logic :D

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Iconoclast
humbly, i would say that you cant dare anyone the way you have said to Mamaof3.

we cannot generalize anything onto ourselves, or others, nor allow others' to generalize things to everyone.

i actually agree with her, that there is reverse stereotyping at times, but of persons, not govts. which is not sane either way, regardless of who engages in that.

X2, mentioned immirgrants who are undocumented. still, this line up and humiliation is not the way to treat a guest in your house - your country.

be it a muslim country or a non muslim country.
best,
Dushwari

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X2,

no, it did not die. you had become dormant without food for thought!

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someone who breaks into my house is nto my guest. my guests ring the doorbell, i check to see who they are and then open the doot for them. if some aira ghera nathu khera breaks into my house, he is not getting any respect that I reserve for my invited guests.

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X2, thanks for your perspective.

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Just a correction, there is huge influx of "foreigners" in Pakistan... unless you consider Afghanis and Bengladeshis as Pakistanis born in other countries.

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I didn't know you were caucasian.

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As a gori who has lived in three different muslim countries, I can tell you that is not always the case. Of course, Pakistan wins hands-down the worst, but Dubai was no picnic. In Dubai the discrimination was because of having a Pakistani husband, and I always felt perfectly safe, but Pakistan was another story. Women who completely give up their own identity and "become" Pakistani do best there.

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I agree completely, I am so sick of hearing terms like "undocumented workers" to describe illegal immigrants, and the constant press for more rights. If you break the law, there are consequences.

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Thats bcoz you are a muslim gori and hence not the "complete gori"

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You're right - I found it much easier to wear hijab in the US and UK than in Pakistan. I suppose I wasn't "modren" enough for them. Of course, now that the abaya is becoming a fashion statement, it's another story :)

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I dont get it....

whats the difference between a "muslim gori" and a "complete gori"?

and where would a gori-learning-about-Islaam-but-not yet-converted fit in?

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If Fourth Amendment applies only to United States citizen than it is correct. Otherwise, these government officials are breaking the law. I have another question, what happens in 2009? We all know it is either Giuliani, Clinton or Obama and all of them have promised to give these people path to citizenship. So right now they are threat to society, until further notice?

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Forget 2009, look what they are going to do on Wednesday;

Senate bills could reopen immigration debate

Two measures headed to the Senate floor could reopen an immigration debate that left the chamber bitterly divided this past summer.

The Senate on Wednesday will vote to proceed to the so-called Dream Act, which would give undocumented students a chance to attend college. Next week the Senate may move to a measure that would overhaul farm policies, which Senate Democrats want to become a vehicle for a plan allowing undocumented agriculture workers to win legal status.

The outcome of the votes will likely determine whether the 110th Congress can move any measures that could pave a pathway to citizenship for any of the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal immigrants

***“I think the Dream Act is a litmus test,” said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), a Cuban-American who supports the plan. “If we can’t do this for children … then I doubt we can do anything else.”


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no one here is saying they are a threat to society, although one can go on and talk about the load healthcare and education is facing due to illegals.

Until a path to citizenship is established, they are illegal. and even having the path to citizenship does not mean everyone will get there, some may some may not. so its incorrect to assume that all illegals will become citizens.

so if and when there is a process in place that provides a path for these people who broke the laws as they entered the country or overstayed, then a discussion can take place.

and as far as illegals going to college..great as if putting the pressure on k-12 was not enough to provide free education, bilingual instruction etc.

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