My marriage.....

His parents didnt spend a bit on his wedding...he had to take up a loan to fund everything from his sherwani to the venue....as per what hubby has told me.

I work in a different state altogether, his work is 5 mins from home whereas i need to commute for 1.5hrs each way....

I have tried to pick and talk on sensitive issues when he's in a good mood....n have seen his mood swing in fraction of seconds. He doesnt want to talk about it AT ALL....if i talk when he's happy he listens for a while n blames me for intentionally starting a discussion which will cause a fight.....he would put the topic out by simply saying we're out to enjoy n not to discuss financial matters....he wants me to be completely CONVINCED when he tells me our future would be bright and there is day after night. Period. How? No one knows.

He tells me that his bad attitude is because of his job n everything would change once he finds a good job!

Exactly....why all the complaining when there's a maid.....mil n sils have their own life-style so why interfere with mine.... they socailise, have kitty-parties 3 times a week, gossip and find me to taunt....why the tanay? I work like a mule, commute, get home to find a husband who complains about single-fold and double fold....

I have started looking-out for a job for him using my network....m not sure if he's still willing to move out of his home....he wanted to move-out 3 months back but right now m not sure....He's asked me to wait for 2 more months, but at the same time tells me that he might feel a bit lonely initially....So, i dont know....can't trust if he actually means 2 months!

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As everybody is suggesting...IGNORE your inlaws for the sake of your relationship because you want to make it work right....Just ignore them ...

now coming towards your husband...when you are out for fun then don't bring financial issues in the discussion because it is apparent that it will spoil his mood but do discuss things with him on general pattern...you dont have to direct questions at him as if you are investigating him or when he says things will be fine then trust him and show him your support rather than asking how why when....trust him fully and make him trust you...Once he starts trusting you then things will become easy and he will begin to share things with you. Just give him time and space....

Everything will be fine just keep the pace slow...and dont expect much :)

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maybe strt with ‘i was thinking if maybe we cud do xyz it will help us as a couple’ :@:

oh n i meant nt just the IL’s but also U wen i mentioned the maid :halo:

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run for your life?

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you have got to be kidding me findgirl

ur MIL cooks all the food. In the monhts you have been married, even though u work, i know, u've only cooked 5 meals.. and ur saying u cant put up with the crap?

those things ur MIL or FIL are saying, are not taane... would u think they were taane if ur own parents said it? Look, i am not even saying that put up with crap in a marriage.. BUT wake up, please..... this is NOTHING. Infact, I think they are being, sweet even. Ur FIL asked u maybe you should take a day off if ur not feeling well.. whats the big deal? ur MIL asked for u to go with her to a dholak party.. why couldnt u? whats the big deal? sorry but none of this makes sense....

And, the thing about eating at less expensive restaurants... come on... if u wanna pay off the huuuge loan ur hubby has (which he aint telling u abuot probably cus he doesnt wanna stress u), maybe u should listen to ur FIL or even... stay at home?

Im not trying to tell u how to run ur life.... but seirously behan jee, u have it easy

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Have a POW WOW with your MIL and FIL in your hubby's absence. I would normally ask to go through your spouse but in your case he is not responding well.

In this POW WOW tell them openly that you really appreciate and are fortunate to be part of your new family - them. You always believed that this new home would be good for you and that's why you fought tooth and nail to be married to (hubby's name).

Uncle jee and Aunty Jaan, I also realize that you have spent your entire married life in raising your children and I have a tremendous amount of respect for parents who raise good children. I am lucky to be married to your son.

The way things have been going on lately, I feel there is a big communication gap somewhere. I would like to work it out with all involved. We live in this household as one family. We should be able to openly discuss issues that bother us. Is there anything that bothers you about me? ( I am sure they will say, nahee beta...) in that case, proceed with...

I am working as it keeps me busy and honestly I am able to work outside the house because Aunty jaan you take care of everything in the house. I count myself lucky for that. I know (hubby) is trying to get a career job and Insha'Allah as soon as we feel his career is back on track, I will definitely consider quitting. But until then please let's not make my job an issue.

Once you get them on your side, they will help you with putting some aqal in your husband too.

Fingirl, do this if you really love your husband and believe that it's worth saving this marriage. It seems to me that you are a strong and determined woman who married this guy eventhough your parents weren't so excited about it.

Do NOT base your decision on FINANCIAL reasons...it's too early in your lives.

I am not sure whether you will follow up on this advice or not but if you do and things still don't change, then divorce may be your only way out.

I agree with Sadzzz here.

Seems to me like you THINK they're taanaas, when they might not even be those. You know stay-at-home women do feel insecure around working women (IMO they should not but unfortunately, they do), they're probably just having a conversation and trying to maybe share their daily routine or justify themselves being at home..... plus what else would they talk to you about? When I talk to my MIL on the phone, all that we discuss is kiya pakaaya aur kiya khaaya :p.

I think you're just taking everything too negative.... I don't see any issues in your marriage.

Don't go complain about taanas to your husband please (even if they are genuine complaints)...... they will make your relationship worse.

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Well, here’s the update. I am going through the worst phase of my marriage…and this is how it worsened

INCIDENT-1
My sil had come for a visit. I was about to enter the lounge when I overheard part of her conversation with hubby, mil & fil. SIL was telling hubby how she had not spent any money of her husband’s on clothes for 2-3 years. She also said that if it were possible for her now, she would work all day and give all her income to her parents as FIL was not “stable”. The reference in her first statement was obviously me. I didn’t hear a word from hubby in defense. He stayed stayed quiet, though I have never asked him for money. Whatever I spend on clothes and everything else is from my own money. How could he stay quiet when he has given his entire earnings to his parents pre-marriage…. because of whom he had to take a huge loan for his wedding? His dad is not “stable”….yeah right!!! Hubby has told me that his dad has amassed enough wealth in Karachi…they also have property in UAE

Still, he didn’t have anything to say in return to his younger sis on grounds where he was right and she was wrong? I don’t care how much money they have….I know I am capable enough of making our money as long as we work for it…..but I felt so bad that he didn’t say a word to defend the truth? When I entered the room, the topic was dropped and hubby spoke and joked at length with his sis, as if nothing had happened!!

Later, when she had left I confronted him….he said that he didn’t want to say anything to his sister in front of his parents. He would call the next day and let her know what she said was wrong. He said that his sis was simply trying to prove her smartness, so he let her do that. He also said that if his sis said anything that is not true, it doesn’t become true by saying so. I was deeply hurt, cried and stopped talking to him. My hubby is so blind to whatever his family keeps trying to interfere in our marriage….sils had their own agenda and tried their best to stop the marriage, they still attack me indirectly through tannay and they are there to tell lies in front of him and interfere in my marriage!

Still….he can’t see.

INCIDENT-2
My hubby was called at our place for dinner. Dad told him that I was upset with they way things were going forward, and he asked him why this was not being resolved.

He started on a defensive note, and said that I don’t do khidmat for him or his family. He then complained about the blanket which he had to “double-fold” each morning….My dad took a neutral approach and tried to make him understand that everything in marriage is based on mutual understanding, etc, etc. I sat for the discussion and tried to prove my point, told him his complaints were not valid coz he would have every right to complain if I had not made sure the room was clean when I returned from work…My dad suggested to take a separate home as that seemed the only way-out to prevent further blows to our marriage. He listened quietly and seemed slightly convinced also, but knowing how he his I knew he chances of it happening were very remote.

The fact is that I come from a home where hygiene is given far more importance than at my in-laws, and my husband is as messy as any guy would be, but it is not fair that he complains about the blanket when I am so freaking fussy about keeping the room in perfect condition ALWAYS.

Anyways, he lost his temper in the middle and yelled at me in front of my dad. Dad was pissed and raised his voice, but I & mom stepped in and stopped him. Hubby apologized for his indecent behavior in front of my dad, sat for a while and left.

The second day hubby comes to my parent’s home to apologize for his behavior the previous day. He tells my mom that he has finally decided to have a home of his own and that he had spent 4 hours looking for an apartment in our state, so that I don’t need to commute for that long every day. Besides he said, if I being a girl can commute, he might as well being a man.
*INCIDENT 3- *

It’s a Friday afternoon and I was not really talking to my husband since we had a fight, but otherwise taking care of him like his breakfast, dinner, etc

I am deeply hurt by his chalakiyan, repeated lies and they way he screamed in front of my dad. Sil calls him up and asks him to come for dinner in the evening, and he agrees to her without asking me. I tell him that I am not going to her place. He could go if he wished, but I don’t want to because I haven’t gone in 5-6 days anywhere.

He calls my mom, she doesn’t answer as she would be praying. He then calls my sil and tells her that I don’t want to come to her home because she hasn’t requested me, n if she requests then I may think over it!!! He wanted me to speak to her, I refused. Why should I speak to his sis when he has called her and openly insulted me in front of her? How can he expect that if he threatens me like that I would talk to her?? He hung up and I asked him why he insulted me in front of his sister. He said that he did so coz I refused to go at her place.

While we are having an argument, he then storms out of the room, screams the hell out of his lungs and calls his mom and dad and I was left without even an ounce of dignity. He screamed on his top “isne meri zindagi kharaab kar di he”, and cursed me. He rolled on the floor and said pointing to my toes “ap log is ke talway chatain”. He broke the coffee table, banged his cell phone on the wall and said that all of it was because of me. He was mad, incontrollable, and worst he bared our private relationship out and said that I could not even give him a child. He wanted a child right after marriage....i wanted a year's time and so it was mutually understood. He screamed and said that my parents are forcing him to take a separate home, and repeatedly blamed my parents.

To cut it short, I can not describe the pain I felt through the entire emotional drama. He threatened to harm himself and screamed till he bit his tongue so hard that it started bleeding. I felt as I had just walked over a landmine, yet was alive to feel the pain of what I had lost.

Sil was called in to control her brother…..husband kept yelling at me, in-laws kept staring at me….and my mom called at the home no. as she suspected something had gone wrong since I wasn’t answering the phone and hubby’s phone was out of connection as it was broken. FIL answered and told her that I was fine, mom could hear SIL’s voice in the background and sensed something big had happened.

An hour later my parents were there. SIL had left by then. All of us sat and talked. Dad complained to them about hubby…how he had screamed at me in front of him and how he had come to our home to announce his decision of taking a separate home. FIL, MIL said there was no need of a separate home. “Hamara ghar itna bara tou he”. Dad told about the blanket-issue. He also told them that I was working to support my husband who can’t sustain beyond the tenth of every month. FIL said that support was not the right word, as his son was an Engineer. He never gave them any money and they didn’t have any property in UAE. Much more was talked.

I could only tell my parents in front of in-laws “today was the worst”. I went home with my parents.

PRESENT:
I have been staying with my parents for the past 10 days. Hubby had come thrice to take me back, but I refused. He said that all what he said was out of anger. In-laws had come over once without hubby….again issues were brought to their notice, but there was no resolution. They just wanted me to go with them, and I didn’t want to. During my dad’s conversation with them, it was clear that all of them had been lying all through to safeguard their own objectives. Hubby had lied about his income to me….fil defended him by saying he has a letter from hubby’s firm that states he would get a raise after his engagement which never happened and so their son had told us his salary post raise ….Fil also said that my dad should have enquired about hubby’s salary before marriage…he has also lied about his education, in-laws denied hubby gave them any money

I am exhausted and so depressed! I clearly can’t stand his parents….his parents are extremely manipulative.....the family is so twisted that fil, mil and hubby completely deny what I tell them about hubby and vice-versa….

The issue is not about money….it’s about the lies on which the marriage is based and the other million lies told to protect them. We have completely different upbringings…..hubby is so controlled that if we ate pizza, he tells his parents we ate sandwiches….if we dined at a restaurant, he would tell we had pizza. Whatever we shopped came from the back door, though I would have mostly paid for it. Our viewpoints are completely different on life...he doesn’t value truth, honesty or morals. He would rather lie than work for achieving anything in life. He has admitted a million times that he has had a suppressed upbringing, and he can’t say anything against his parents as he considers it disobedience. He lacks the ambition to achieve and excel in life….I always had a feeling that his parents never wanted him to pursue better opportunities. My dad told my in-laws a couple of times that he has been advising hubby and me to invest together in some property back home since both of us work . FIL never commented. Recently, at our home, FIL said….” there is no need of us to invest as it takes 20-25 years to make a home… and they have an apartment in Khi in which we all could stay together….aur hum se tou itne saalon mein aaj tak yahan ghar nahin banpaya".

FIL tells how he and his wife managed in less money and no money 35 years ago.

How should I re-assess the situation? Should I just ignore everything and start living with my in-laws….honestly, I hate them so much more and I suspect now for every little thing hubby might just pull me out of the room and start cursing me….I can’t imagine every argument brought out for the public and this will only worsen the situation.

Should I put my condition to have a separate home? My parents suspect that hubby can never take such a huge step as he will be pressurized by his parents and sisters. Even if he does, which is highly unlikely, dad suspects it will worsen the situation as he will hold me responsible for every little thing that would happen at his parents’ home. They are worried about my future with him. Besides I know hubby doesn’t want to move out. He has asked me several time “Wht’s the guarantee that we won’t fight ever gain if we stay alone?"

Should I ask for khulla and remain single for the rest of my life? If not, then that means staying miserable for the rest of my life…I am so confused that I can’t decide on anything….it’s going to be most difficult for me….it’s my first wedding anniversary today and I can’t help remembering and crying the time and effort I spent in arranging the wedding.

I feel so helpless. I know as a Muslim I should try to forgive and move on…..but is it normal to base a marriage on lies. I stood by my hubby during the engagement period. I had a clear sense of his weaknesses but didn’t know he would lie blatantly. I know I have been wrong in fighting with him for several things that bothered me. But the fact is that I have no respect for his parents for wrongly accusing my mom and his sisters for trying their best to break the marriage…..After all that has happened I am not sure if I have any respect for him. Clearly he doesn’t. Still I am the only one responsible for salvaging this marriage?

Please pray that Allah helps me in this difficult situation.

Fingirl, you seem like an intellingent girl who's seeing the other side of typical desi mentality now. It took me my marriage to realize that such people exist, it has matured me in alot of ways.
If you want to save your marriage, then its best you talk to him, wish him on your anniversary and go look for a new place to stay.
I'll just point out to you, your mistakes that ive read.

**He said that his sis was simply trying to prove her smartness, so he let her do that.* *
Your husband confided in you, he told you how he felt about his sister, he 'knew' what she was doing, but he did not let it get to him. So you should be happy about that.

**The second day hubby comes to my parent’s home to apologize for his behavior the previous day. He tells my mom that he has finally decided to have a home of his own and that he had spent 4 hours looking for an apartment in our state, so that I don’t need to commute for that long every day. Besides he said, if I being a girl can commute, he might as well being a man. **
You should have apologized as well, and asked if you could look for an apartment together. See fingirl, he did not tell his parents about the apartment search, he told your parents. You should have atleast supported him and searched for an apartment together.
Instead you give him the cold shoulder. Wrong approach.

He calls my mom, she doesn’t answer as she would be praying. He then calls my sil and tells her that I don’t want to come to her home because she hasn’t requested me, n if she requests then I may think over it!!! He wanted me to speak to her, I refused. Why should I speak to his sis when he has called her and openly insulted me in front of her? How can he expect that if he threatens me like that I would talk to her?? He hung up and I asked him why he insulted me in front of his sister. He said that he did so coz I refused to go at her place.
I dont know why he called your mother. But when he called his sister, he was setting boundaries with her. He was letting her know that if you invite me, you have to inviter my wife as well. I know his approach was wrong but his intentions were not. He was on your side, but you fail to see it.
Your marriage is new, and it will take him time to change from me to us.

…..hubby is so controlled that if we ate pizza, he tells his parents we ate sandwiches….if we dined at a restaurant, he would tell we had pizza. Whatever we shopped came from the back door, though I would have mostly paid for it**
He's trying to keep you happy. He's hiding things from his parents, so they dont nag.
I think you should realize these things, instead of jumping at him for hiding and lieing.
Understand the reasons.

Should I ask for khulla and remain single for the rest of my life? If not, then that means staying miserable for the rest of my life…I am so confused that I can’t decide on anything
I think give it time. Ask you parents to remind him that he was searching for an apartment, so what happened to that?
Talk to him. Dont wait for him to call you, you call him. He's come to get you thrice, so deserves a phone call.

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djmi....my reasoning and intelligence has got me where I am today....n that is my failed marriage. My parents advised me not to marry him but didn't put their foot down firmly, just because i told them i could live with him...i didn't want to give up on a relationship coz of his parents' and sisters dirty intentions. But shouldn't that have been enough to teach him a lesson...

He speaks against his sister by confiding in me...but he can't do anything to stop them even if they're wrong....n this is exactly what worries me n what angers me the most… he would say anything to please me and show me how he understands my pain, but in fact do nothing about it…just sweet-talk and dump things aside...there’s a history of the number of times his sisters have treated me wrongly…ive been subject to taanay and cheap remarks by them….i agree, my mistake is that I was not able to counter their taanay on my own….i should have been equally smart in doing so….but this is just not me….

His approach is the same for every other thing. Like in the first few months of our marriage, he said that he feels suffocated in his parents' home and wants to have his own home, his identity. He would to tell me to survive a few more months with him. I kept believing him.

Recently when he made a joke out of me in front of his parents by cursing me, he said that he does’nt want to move out and he was being pressured by my parents to do so. If he wanted to move out himself, he would never blame me or my parents for it. Besides, he to prove his lame point, he argues that he is the only son and has “boorhay maa-baap” behind him. He has also told me that he would feel sad for a week if he moves out and would miss his family. When FIL heard him blame my parents in our last fight, FIL dismissed the idea saying that we would fight even more and we already have a big home.

I have told him a zillion times that I am ready to pay rent for the apartment and contribute to the monthly expenses for just having the mental peace. Earlier, he would just dismiss by saying that he can’t move out till he finds a job. I still believed him. That was just for the sake of saying it. Now he tells me that his parents don’t wish bad for him and there’s no guarantee that we won’t fight in a separate home, hence there being no need for it.

The first time he came to pick me up, he asked me to come with him. I refused and he walked out of our home. The second time he came and asked me to come. I refused saying that I couldn’t go back where I have lived in misery and have been humiliated in front of his parents. He accused me of wanting to separate him from his parents, which I have never done and said “alag ghar se kuch nahin hota…duniya rehti he joint family mein”. I told him I didn’t want to stay with him or his parents, he barged out. The third time he came was after his parents had come. My parents talked to him first and told him I was not willing to go. When I talked to him, I told him I wasn’t going with him. He said that we could try living in a separate home…..i refused. He left after telling my mom that it was his turn now to make things work…..

It’s been 4 days since he had come. No calls from him. He made his dad call yesterday instead. FIL said that “oonch-neech hoti he…yeh tou koi baat nahi he” and wanted to know when I would be returning. I had already guessed this. I and parents knew he could never take a stand for a separate home. Instead he made his dad call, which means if I have to come back it should mean accepting all his lies as they are, and living with in-laws for the rest of my life.

We went through a troublesome engagement period. He would call, email, sms during no dialogue. Now, his parents are the nicest parents who truly want his marriage to work and I am the evil girl who wants earn the gunah of separating the closest father and son. He is the same son who has admitted that it was his entire parent’s fault and the accusation put on my mom was his mom’s own evil creation. He is the same son who has admitted that his parents have a greed for his money, etc.
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and yes he called my mom to tell her that his sweet sis has invited him and me for dinner, and i have refused. he didn't call his sis to set boundaries.....he repeatedly told his sis "u have to request her" in a tone which clearly showed his anger for me and put his sis on speaker. he said that would come alone coz "woh tou milna hi nahin chahti he".....and repeated the word request 2-3 times. When i asked him why he had to humiliate me in front of his, he said that his was doing a good thing of calling us and i didnt want to go.

I was shocked how bad he felt when i refused going to his sis' place. He was offended to hear me say "no" for his sister.

n coz i insisted i would not go....he stormed out n yelled for his parents.

whenever i am invited even at my parents' home for a dinner, i never commit before first asking him.

Fingirl, i understand your hurt and i know how it feels to be lied to again and again.
But at the same time, as soon as he tries to change you dont accept or acknowledge him.
Why did you refuse the idea of living separately when he visited the third time? You should really look at countless opportunities that youve deliberately missed.

You should let go of the hurt youve felt during your engagement, and try to change yourself a little bit. Maybe you feel guilty for not listening to your parents and now subconsiously your trying to break the tie. Maybe. I dont know.

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Good Grief. Get the divorce already. You are taking victimization to the extreme here. I agree with Sadzz you got issues. She didn't say that but she implied it.

And woman, just to make this clear, if I ever have to clear it with my future wife when I want to go to my sister's place for dinner, she better be packing her bags after that statement. You are effectively asking your husband to choose you over his own blood. Well done on making an existing situation much worse.

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CM....im not blowing things out of proportion...just stating things as they are.... Yes ive got issues.....had i talked back to the endless tanay courtesy MIL and SILs, things would've been on track.

Instead, i showered them with gifts and smiles, and so i am rewarded.

So, you find it is acceptable for men to be played by their mom and sisters any time of the year while they can get away with lying blatantly to their wife.

How does this become choosing over your own blood. I went against my parents advice and stood up to marry him....n didn't consider then as a choice between my blood and him. So how does it equate when i refuse to go to his sister's place considering she had been hitting hard on me in our recent meetings.....FYI the first time i visited SIL's home was after 9 months of marriage, she lives 5 mins away and didn't find it imp to call "us" over after marriage.

Does that get noticed anywhere at all?

Look I am not here to say you are not a victim. You are. But there is an extent where things are also your fault and not his or his families fault only. I will be frank no man or woman is worth going against your family. Why? Because the family you marry into can be just like you describe them and your parents in many cases know better. But you made your decision.

I said already get a divorce and get it over with. You aren't happy. You don't forsee a change in their attitude so why bother making it work? It is sometimes better to say this is not worth it and walk away from a bad situation.

And yes it is choosing blood over water. It is how I see it.

djmi...i agree i don't accept his words now coz based on my experience with him, they're only wordss. Initially, and even till our last fight i would feel bad for a day or so, and then move on. But something or the other would happen that would depress me.

May be i am too thick, i just want to understand for how long it is okay for a husband to lie as long as he says sorry for it?

I am exactly trying to look at my mistakes....i agree there are instances where i feel i could have remained quiet and swallowed in the fire.

I may be the one finally breaking off the relationship, though i am still confused and in my heart want to give it another chance....but what about the small and big blows that he has made to our relationship....isn't he accountable for the relationship, for less than half of what i am?

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Give him another chance. He is accountable for alot of damage hes done. But it seems he has been trying, but your not accepting it.
The issues in your marriage can be fixed, but your choosing not to fix them.
You should count your blessings, compare yourself to those whose husbands are womanizers, cheaters, abusers and a lot worse. So think hard before breaking off.

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fingirl i have just read this whole thread and my heart goes out to you. Mashallah youhave put up with alot of stress/crap that your in laws have put you through

i know deep down your thinking i have heard all this before and that they will not change but if you walk away now you will always be thinking deep down 'what if he was geniune and had changed'. i know its hard but maybe you could possibly give them all another chance.

i wouldnt say go back straight away, stay at ur parents for a little while sort yourself out and then go back!!!!

my thought and prayers are with you hun xxxx

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Wow Fingirl, you have the patience of a saint. If I were you, I wouldn't go back to his parents house ever. Unless he is willing to move out with you, only then you should consider it.
Personally I feel that if the marriage is not bringing you any happiness at all and just misery, then why bother sticking to it? It doesn't make sense to not get divorced.