Mutawatir Ahadith superceding Holy Quran's Ayats

[USResident]

Re: Mutawatir Ahadith superceding Holy Quran’s Ayats

@psyah

Peace Bro. USResident

I’ll keep this short …

You wrote:
“This I do not agree with. The context of your reasoning was that the situation does not exist or hold true, which means there is nothing to abrogate because you are not in a position to even apply the ruling. In this case, there would be no question of overturning the ruling through an abrogation. The context of a situation must first lend itself to a certain ruling before it can be subjected to an abrogation.”

You have misunderstood me which is why I think you are disagreeing. From what you have written above it seems you are making no distinction between the term clause to that of the term context. For me the ‘clause’ is the act that has a ruling regarding it, the context is the surrounding issue that is not necessarily apparent as the ‘clause’ is being read. I hope this makes sense, if it doesn’t then forget about it.

You also wrote:
“however the line of the discussion is about Mutawatir ahadith superceding the Quran”

I believe you feel that the line of the discussion is about ahadith supeceding the Quran, and may even be the case with the person who is defending the position, but that is not my line. My line is to get to the bottom of the issue, which I believe I have done, but this would not be wise of me to say here. Superceding by the way is an English word which carries a very English meaning and I do not believe that any inference of the term ‘naskh’ or ‘nansakh’ are in any way as restrictive as this term. Dangerous to use because it makes it seem that certain people are doing and believing in something very different. So far, chronology has not been introduced either. SubhanAllah let’s quit while we know we are ignorant. I mean people can argue and debate, but that should be left for lesser topics.

Br. Psyah, I think I understand what you mean by clause here, and if I do, then you would agree a certain context can have many clauses which could have different rulings relative to the context.

I agree that much is lost in translation. The only reason I refered to the narrow line of discussion was because that was the original topic of the thread.

I respect your wishes Akhi, we can quit.