"May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

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I believe law states "execution" for spy, if they are not executed then "lifetime" jail term is handed out. If he is released by following court orders (after following due process of investigation, evidence, full course of punishment) then its okay to release, but releasing a criminal because a human-right activist became a minister is not something to cheer for. But then why should we expect Mushy and his cronies to follow law and order.

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What I know, this spy (Kashmir Singh) was convicted as spy and when he got pardon, even at that time as far as Pakistan was concerned he was and is a spy. Pakistan even now claims that he was spy and when Pakistan gave him pardon, they knowingly gave pardon to an Indian spy in Pakistani prison. If Pakistan was releasing an Indian kept wrongly in Pakistani prison than Pakistan would not have claimed that they gave pardon, but would have apologised of keeping an innocent Indian in prison. Kashmir Singh validated Pakistani claim.

Actually, it was India that was claiming that he was not spy. Now, when he got pardon and is in India, he just validated Pakistan claim that he was spy and must have embarrassed India as throughout it was Pakistan that claimed that he was spy but India was denying that. Hence what he has done is quite good that he did not kept quite but admitted that he was spy (what Pakistan authority knew throughout) so that India could not wrongly keep claiming as propaganda that Pakistan was holding an innocent Indian as spy. So, in that sense he did favour to Pakistan by admitting of spying, not to India, and India must be upset and disgusted by this revelation, even though they may not openly show that disgust. Because of his validation of Pakistani claim ... he also validated Pakistani claim that India, Indian media and Indian authority all were telling lies that he was not spy (and thus are liars).

As for another spy (Manjit Singh) that Pakistan has as prisoner, he would have got pardon too, but he did not get pardon because other than spying, he was also involved in terrorism. Actually, if this spy was not involved in terrorism where quite a few innocent Pakistanis got killed, and would have been only involved in spying, probably he would have got pardon too.

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Isn't President more powerful than courts?..Atleast in india president is more powerful.

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The spy got released, does it not show you that President did exercise his "power"? However, President should use such powers for innocents, not criminals.

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First of all, Kashmir Singh was not criminal (unlike Manjit Singh who other than spying was also involved in terrorism). He was spying for his country in same way many Pakistanis must be spying for Pakistan. Kashmir Singh would have been traitor if he was Pakistani working for another country, not if he was Indian working for India against Pakistan. Being spy caught in Pakistan still do not make him criminal but he stays spy, and we can have whatever laws against spy of another country caught in Pakistan, still should not treat them as criminals or traitors.

As for those criminals and traitors (these retarded Mullah brigades) who are suppose to be Pakistani, but working for another country (Afghanistan or for the agenda of Saudia) or working against Pakistani interest (using Pakistani soil to wage their misguided war in neighbouring country without consent of Pakistan government), fighting Pakistani government forces and laws, trying to impose their will over other Pakistanis and spreading fitna in Pakistan, they are criminals and deserve hanging without pardon. It is because they are not doing any service to their country but are sabotaging their own country Pakistan, not obeying the laws of the country they live, and making the life of other Pakistanis miserable.

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Indian Prisoner Released by Pakistan Admits to Spying

**Indian Prisoner Released by Pakistan Admits to Spying

** NEW DELHI (AFP) — An Indian who insisted he was not a spy during more than three decades on Pakistan’s death row has admitted he was a secret agent after his return to his home country, a report said on Friday.

Kashmir Singh, 61, was freed by Pakistan after 35 years at the urging of its human rights minister and crossed the border to India on Tuesday, where he was given a hero’s welcome and showered with rose petals.

“I was a spy and did my duty,” admitted Singh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding he was paid about 400 rupees (10 dollars) a month for his work.

“I went to serve the country,” he told reporters in Chandigarh, the capital of northern Punjab state, but declined to say which Indian agency employed him and how he entered Pakistan.

“Even Pakistan authorities failed to get this information from me,” he said.

Singh, who hails from a village in Punjab, criticised the Indian government for failing to help him after he was caught in 1973, the report said.

Singh was arrested in the garrison city of Rawalpindi at the age of 26 and sentenced to death by a military court.

But he became lost in the system until Pakistan human rights minister Ansar Burney discovered Singh in jail following a tip-off this year.

Burney has said Singh became “mentally disabled” after spending three-and-a-half decades without ever seeing the sky or receiving a single visitor.

Musharraf expressed “shock and disbelief” when informed about the case and accepted a mercy petition before issuing orders for Singh’s release and repatriation, according to the minister.

Singh met with India’s paramilitary Border Security Force and intelligence agencies for a “debriefing” upon his return, reports said.

Nuclear-armed Pakistan and India have fought three wars since their independence in 1947 but launched a slow-moving peace process in 2004.

They have recently held a series of prisoner exchanges, mainly of fishermen who were detained after straying into each others’ territorial waters.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZND4ox2kw18Coomr3zry3xFddlg

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So you want to believe everything a 'mentally disabled' person says??

He will probably say he's GOD at some stage - will you believe that too.

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so what has to be discussed here?. He was doing his job if this is true.

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If it's true, he should have been shot and only a body returned to India. If he spied on Pakistan, he forfeited his right to life.

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So according to you someone coming to spy against Pakistan is not a "crime" in Pakistani laws? What is punishment of spying?

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Good job Indians, disown your spy or call him mentally disabled :k:

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Will the great president be even more greater and forgo his lust for power and money and step down! its about time he needs to go desperately.

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Captain Sahib: We both know how our agencies work - most people in these circumstances would have been subjected to intense torture. Becoming 'mentally disabled' is one of the causes.

No one knows if he was a 'spy' for sure, in most cases the hundreds of 'spy's' captured on both sides of the border are just innocent persons having crossed the border.

So that is why I said " you want to believe everything a 'mentally disabled' person says??

He will probably say he's GOD at some stage - will you believe that too."

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Did I write what you are attributing to me? I never said that what you wrote ... that is:

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someone coming to spy against Pakistan is not a "crime" in Pakistani laws?
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To write what you wrote, you misunderstood my post intentionally or unintentionally. Actually, if you will read my post carefully, you can see that I wrote:

In my previous post, what I was writing is that ... if we consider and treat spies as criminals than that would mean all Pakistanis who spy for Pakistan are criminals too. What you think? Do you consider Pakistanis spying for Pakistan in India and other foreign countries as criminals?

One can say that spy do crime as spy break the laws of the country, but car driver that parks wrongly also breaks law and do crime. Thus, to call a person criminal, we have to see nature of the crime, else all who park their car at wrong places would become criminals.

So, Pakistan can have laws in Pakistan against anyone spying against Pakistan, even capital punishment (death penalty), but that cannot make a spy criminal, unless if you want to call all those patriotic Pakistanis criminal too, who spy for Pakistan. In short, we can punish a spy whatever way we like, but we cannot have one name for ourselves (not criminal) and other name for enemies (criminal), for same crime ... that is spying.

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To write what you wrote, you misunderstood my post intentionally or unintentionally. Actually, if you will read my post carefully, you can see that I wrote:

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Dude, you also wrote this:

Hence the question.

One man's hero can be another one's villain. What we would call "hero" will be a "villain" for India. So Indian spy for us would be a "criminal", Indian population/law can call Pakistani spy as "criminal" but of course a Pakistani spy in India will not be a "criminal" for us Pakistanis. Get it?

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So he should had been given the hero status 35 yrs back the way he was given now!!!

There are thousands of innocents in jails.. and nobody cares.. this was just a chaep popularity stunt by good-for0nothing goof Musharaf and Ansar Barni..

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I'm wondering how many Pakistani spies held in India for many decades have released by Indians? BTW, this man deserved no pardon. He should've been kept in jail until he met his maker...but courtesy of our idiot general he is going to enjoy is remaining days in his country as a national hero. It makes me puke. :(

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Why he deserved no pardon?..did he kill anyone?. He has spent 35 years in jail. Moreover, president can revert the order of any court. He can pardon a person from death sentence awarded even by the supreme court( Atleast in india).

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You mean, Pakistan has given him hero status?

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There are thousands of innocents in jails.. and nobody cares.. this was just a chaep popularity stunt by good-for0nothing goof Musharaf and Ansar Barni..
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I think that some Pakistanis are pathetic when they in their ignorance keep criticizing Musharraf or whoever is/was in his team.

No one says that what India is doing to Pakistani Prisoners is good or that no one cares for them. But then, if Indians eat Pig and drink urine of cow, then it does not mean that you start eating Pigs and drink Urine of cow too. Would you? Well, maybe some would, but at least I wont :).