"May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

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Well, terrorism and causing death of innocent in whatever way is crime in every law. What I wrote is that Manjit singh was not only spy, but he was involved in terrorism that caused death of innocents, and thus do not deserve any pardon, rather deserve to be treated as criminal. What I know is that Kashmir Singh was not involved in terrorism and that is why government gave him pardon.

[Though, personally I believe that such blanket pardon of spies should not happen, rather Pakistan should have negotiated release of any Pakistani spies in India for his release]

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One man's hero can be another one's villain. What we would call "hero" will be a "villain" for India. So Indian spy for us would be a "criminal", Indian population/law can call Pakistani spy as "criminal" but of course a Pakistani spy in India will not be a "criminal" for us Pakistanis. Get it?
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Sure, I can expect such statement from supporters of Nawaz and Zardari, but not from an intelligent person like you :).

Well, for a respectable Nation where respectable and brave people live, criminals are criminals whatever nationality that person have (own or enemies), but certainly a person doing duty for their country is not criminal. For instance, even in war when enemy soldiers are captured, they are not treated as criminals but prisoner of war. Best is that, if a brave soldier of enemy is captured by brave people, they give that captured soldier as much respect as they would give their own brave soldier (even though as enemy soldier, he might have killed many of the people who captured him).

A very famous example is of Alexander. When Porus was captured and Alexander found him Brave person, he gave Porus treatment that any brave person would give to his brave enemy and because of that Alexander is remembered even now. If Alexander would have been coward then he would have treated Porus differently.

When queen of Sheba (Bilqis) found Hazrat Sulaiman (RA) intelligent, honourable and knowledgeable, she not only gave all respect to Sulaiman (RA) but embraced Islam. Similarly when Hazrat Sulaiman (RA) heard of Queen Bilqis as very intelligent and honourable queen, he gave her all respect what she deserved (even when she was sun worshipper at that time).

Salahuddin Ayubi when recognised the bravery of King Richard, Salahuddin acknowledged that even on battle ground, while they were fighting each other and killing soldiers of each other.

Even Buddhist King Ashoka when encountered bravery of Kalingan soldiers when trying to capture kingdom of Kalinga (Orissa), he got so impressed by their bravery and so horrified by the bloodshed happened when fighting them that he gave up fighting for rest of life.

When British encountered Tippu Sultan and saw his bravery, they acknowledged it, gave him title of tiger and even today in British Museum we see Image of Tipu Sultan attacking British soldier as tiger.

Even today, Muslim scholars remember and acknowledge the bravery of Khalid bin Walid (RA) when as young non-Muslim leader of Quraish, he attacked Muslims in Uhad and turned the table of victory of Muslims into defeat.

[History if full of brave and intelligent people (and Nations) who always acknowledged bravery and intelligence of others, even when others were their enemy. Actually, history only remembers such people and Nations]

Now, you want to follow the footstep of Alexander, Sallahuddin, Sulaiman (RA), Ashoka, British ... or you want to be like cowards who may have won battles but left no mark in history because of their cowardice behaviour?

Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

B/c he was a spy & we don't know what kind of vital information he gave to India that undermined our national security. As for pardon, yes, president has authority to pardon anyone, but that doesn't he should use that authority to free foreign spies.

Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

Sa1eem, notwithstanding your circular/technical arguments (which you're very good at) if you're in jail you're criminal by definition. Just trust me on this one....

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If u had seen TV that day- he was taken to a 5-star hotel in Lahore and provided with official protocol!

If u read my post again I said there are thousands of prisoners in Pakistani jails both loacl and foreigners who are there without any legal help... many of those are innocents.. Why didnt Musharaf in 11 yrs never did any jail reforms? this publicity stunt for a spy on international media and the very next day the shameful conclusion that pakistan handed a spy is too embarrissing..

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Lol

So now the only people praying for Musharraf are Indian spies.

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Well, I believe that he was taken to 5-star hotel for security reason ... though I believe that government could have kept him anywhere.

As for many local and foreign innocents are in prison without any legal help, that is wrong and it is duty of government to do something about that. Unfortunately this is happening since last 61 years and all governments till now are guilty of doing very little. As for President Musharraf bringing reforms, first of all he was not in power since 11 years but 8 years (since Oct 1999). Second thing is that, he had absolute power for first 3 years, and during that time lot of reforms were introduced, that includes police reform and power to local government (both effects people directly and immensely). Before Police reform brought by Musharraf, Pakistan had police laws that was given by British and that was to rule the people and not to serve the people. Nevertheless, as country, there is a lot that is needed to get done in Pakistan and 3 years or even 8 years is very little (especially, when governments in past only messed up the country).

Anyhow, after 2002, Pakistan had parliament with politicians in government and politicians in opposition, and it was duty of Parliament to bring reforms for the betterment of the masses. Unfortunately, opposition were just beating the desk during that time for selfish political reasons, and not bringing issues for betterment of people what they should have been doing. Government also did not do as much as they could have done.

As for spy thing, that is going on since long time and I do not think that it was just personal publicity stunt. It may have been Pakistan image building exercise in front of world, but to consider that as personal image building stunt by anyone, that is ridiculous.

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Brother, you mean to say that a person getting parking ticket (because of parking offence), did not paid fine because of some financial problem, and went to prison for that is now criminal, whereas the person who broke same law (parking offence) but paid fine and thus did not go to prison, is not a criminal?

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I don't know much about rules in pakistan. In india, even foreign nationals responsible for harming the country's security can be pardoned by the president. The earlier president pardoned russian and british nationals involved in one of the incident. THey had served more than 8 years in jail already sentenced by the court.

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Please do not talk about India. India has disgusting human right record. As for prisoners, next day Pakistan let go Kashmir Singh, India reported that they killed a Pakistani young boy who Indians arrested few years back, accusing him of being a spy, even though he went to India just to watch Cricket. Unfortunately, the body of that boy is full of torture of third kind.

They are holding another Pakistani as prisoner accusing him of spying, even though he was just visiting India with his wife and children just to meet relatives, and Indian court has cleared him. Worse is that, whoever Indians arrest, they torture them badly.

I have seen the treatment and state of innocent fishermen both countries arrest in their fishing waters. Unfortunately, from seeing state of Pakistani prisoners returning from India, it seems that Indians are worse than wild animals, whereas Pakistan always treated their prisoners like human even when knowing how Indian treat Pakistani prisoners, because Pakistanis by nature are human.

I do not think that Indians are civilised, neither have ever heard of human rights, nor have any shame.

Re: "May he rule for 100 years’'/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

haha & Ann Coulter the right wing American wicket witch. :smiley:

http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=220

Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

No, if you're convicted of a crime (whatever that might be) than you're a criminal. Thats the simplest definition i can give you.

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And for security reasons Govt. was boasting him for taking him to a known 5-star hotel.. :k:

After police reforms police are now serving teh people :d: infact, polioce have become more brutal, without control, and under Musharaf & Co used police to brutalize pakistani people.. Musharaf was absolute ruler as his wrong action resulting in PML-Q defeat.. most of the time Musharaf was selling Pakistani citizens to USA for torture without any proof..

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Why are we all surprised? The Pakistani government has always claimed that he was a spy who was only released because he had already spent 3 life sentences in Pakistan - which is against Pakistani law.

And what he is saying is proving to the world that Pakistan was right to imprison him and the good thing is that he is saying this in India rather than in Pakistan so now no one can say that we forced him to say it.

Pakistan government did a good thing to release Kashmir Singh. Shows Musharraf and the government care about humanity!

Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

Link for what you telling?.. and don't give me your 5 paragraph lectures next time. It is boring to read!

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how does releasing one prisoner become establishing supremacy of India? we are supreme even without this.

unless you are saying mushy got scared

Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

Aalsi Bhaijan you are forgetting one thing.

Samaan 100 baras ka pal ki khabar nahin:D

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Do you think that I would consider you so worthy that I would waste my time with 5 paragraph lecture on you? You must be joking.

I only waste my time on those who I consider worthy of reply with few paragraphs. Else, I give few lines reply to those with whom I am indifferent and do not care. As for those I do not consider even worthy of few words, I do not even care to reply them. I believe that you do not know how to read Urdu, nevertheless, I am giving site reference for those about whom I care …

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Re: "May he rule for 100 years''/Musharraf released spy for Indian Supremacy (Merged)

dude, have you heard of how civilized Pakistani army was with your own citizens in East Pakistan? You have no credibility to call us any names

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Don’t talk BS about my country when I did not say anything to your country. And oh…try convincing and winning the support of the people whom you care without telling anything against my country next time. It feels like as though you are trying to win the support of people you care by telling something against my country

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^^^ ssingh Ji Seattle Mumbai kei nazdeek hai? :D What country are you talking about?