Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid

[saqibkhan]

Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid

Pakistan is an islamic state and will never become a secular state.

[mukobhai]

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Marvi Sarmad is a traitor and was exposed on the show and now Safma people are saying that she had nothing to do with her but very soon all the enemies of Islam and Pakistan will be taken out

[mukobhai]

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Members of Safma are all those who have problem with Islam but they try portray different but they fail

[ehsan]

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yes because according to you we who studied in pakistan were thought all bakwas history. yes.. all our textbooks were garbage according to you... i have news for you, this woman is equivalent to those in heera mandi.

To use such third rate and low language with anyone you dont agree with is really pathetic and shows a certain gutter mentality. Learn to respect and accept other peoples view, you have right to disagree with what others might say but using such language reflects on you not them.

Marvi Sarmad is a traitor and was exposed on the show and now Safma people are saying that she had nothing to do with her but very soon all the enemies of Islam and Pakistan will be taken out

Your beloved TTP animals are doing that quite efficiently murdering and massacring anyone and everyone. Inshallah we will wipe them not only from the face of Pakistan but this earth.

[psyah]

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Pakistan is an islamic state and will never become a secular state.

Correction: Pakistan is a pseudo-Islamic state and it will probably never become a totally secular state ... but at the same time pseudo-Islam is the most unjust form of statecraft and if we don't move from this position then we will continue as we have been since we were formed.

[mo293]

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Dont know about the other guy with red topi and this is the first time I've heard or seen this woman.. Few things I've noticed and one of them is that she keeps dodging the question about Indian terrorism in IOK and immediately start yapping about Balochistan... If I was red topi I would remind her about maoist infested 1/3 India, killing of Siks, Muslims, Christians etc yada yada yada

BUT BUT BUT - Baluchistan or maoist infestation there is no UN resolution something she definately knows but ah yes, the obsession with big bad Pak is taking its toll. :)

[Theorist]

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My husband was telling me about this and he said, "it's a shame that I have to agree with a Hindu because our own people idolize such idiots. It's too bad all muslims feel obliged to agree with a muslim just because he is a muslim and it's sad that HE represents the rest of us"

[Med911]

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@diwana

Oh so you are against the word Islamofascism. Great! :)

What's up with this argument everyone in naked under the clothes?

1- Does that mean when you see a person with clothes on, you imagine that person to be naked?

2- If someone imagines that, the person is fine and not a pervert?

*3- Must anything which should be hidden be revealed ? * *4- Every nude picture is acceptable since every person under clothings is actually nude? * 5- Please post a naked picture of yourself frint and back....and say in caption:

"What's wrong with that?... everyone is naked under clothes". ;)

1. I dont have to imagine, we are all naked under our clothes. :)
2. The person wouldnt be a pervert, because he or she is only expressing a fact.
3. What should be hidden and what shouldnt be is relative. What one person considers obsene, another considers perfectly fine. There are women who wear Niqab who look down on women wearing hijab for showing their faces. There are people who consider a woman who is completly covered up as being a immoral for letting her wrists or feet show.
   

The point is, why should we be offended by a naked woman, covering herself up with a burka, or partialy covering herself up with a burka?
Who cares? She is still covered up, atleast for the most part. That in your mind she is still completely naked, is in your mind.

Also, the purpose of the picture is to make a point. To get people talking. Nothing wrong with creating dialogue.
And so what if she is using a burka to make the point, where does it say that a burka shouldnt be used to cover a nude body. That again, is the purpose of it, is it not? So it exposes some parts of her, there are still those who would say she isnt naked.

[Med911]

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@diwana

1- Well I was against her because of ONE video. Never heard of this woman before and never saw Zaid or heard him before.

In addition to that if someone brought her so called ‘private’ blog in surface then I think everyone should be thankful.

More info on her the better.

Maybe we all should know what this woman does when she goes to India and meets Bal Thackeray kind of people.

2- Burqa has nothing to do with Islam. Agreed.

Pardah is.

Also, Niqab has nothing to do with Islam.

The point here is not that this woman is against Burqa because it has nothing to do with Islam.

It is about her choice of words (French Kiss), her selection of image and her main message.

Believe me or not, no matter how this idiot and rabid woman thinks of others, **people can sense her intentions.
**
She hates division of Indian subcontinent to make Pakistan… just as an Indian would do.

She defends India… as any anti-Pakistani Indian supporter would do.

Her blog is nothing but a piece of garbage based on the lack of the reasoning in her arguments,… and lack of ANY depth in her thoughts.

She started as pretending to be from a Deobandi background. Probably wanted some credit.

She sounds like a woman who just walked out of kitchen to fight.

Lastly, let me tell you, her arguments are childish and very usual kind against burqa. Shows that she never ever wanted to read nor learn from,.. or had any encounter with any religious book/person.

The concept of pardah can be interpreted in many ways. And it doesnt always have to be literal.

[diwana]

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@Med911

1. I dont have to imagine, we are all naked under our clothes.
2. The person wouldnt be a pervert, because he or she is only expressing a fact.
3. What should be hidden and what shouldnt be is relative. What one person considers obsene, another considers perfectly fine. There are women who wear Niqab who look down on women wearing hijab for showing their faces. There are people who consider a woman who is completly covered up as being a immoral for letting her wrists or feet show.

The point is, why should we be offended by a naked woman, covering herself up with a burka, or partialy covering herself up with a burka?
Who cares? She is still covered up, atleast for the most part. That in your mind she is still completely naked, is in your mind.

Also, the purpose of the picture is to make a point. To get people talking. Nothing wrong with creating dialogue.
And so what if she is using a burka to make the point, where does it say that a burka shouldnt be used to cover a nude body. That again, is the purpose of it, is it not? So it exposes some parts of her, there are still those who would say she isnt naked.

So many points you brought are just plain wrong.

There iis a consensus on what should be hidden nd what not.

Try no to be smart and think people don’t know that. You are trying to reinvet the wheel.

If you are confused on what should be hidden and what should be revealed then it is your fault.

Did you even look at the picture? If so then …nevermind, that would be a little too personal.

Just to start discussion one does not need to show a picture like that.

Is this woman dyslexic… that she needs to show a silly picture to make a point?

@Med911

The concept of pardah can be interpreted in many ways. And it doesnt always have to be literal.

Again, no need to make others confused if you are.

Even a little child knows what nudity is on earth,… which planet you came from?

[Med911]

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So many points you broght are just plain wrong.

There iis a consensus on what should be hidden nd what not.

Try no to be smart and think people don't know that. You are trying to re0invet the wheel.

If you are confused on what should be hidden and what should be revealed then it is your fault.

Did you even look at the picture? If so then ....nevermind, that would be alittle too personal. ;)

Again, no need to make others confused if you are.

Even a little child knows what nudity is on earth,............ which planet you came from?

I looked at the picture. Personally, im just not offended by it. Peoples oppionions will differ on this, it is what it is. Lets move on.

i didnt make this confusing, its simply how it is. Purdah CAN be interpreted in many ways. Why are you so certain t means putting a bag over your wife or sister or mother?
If you have doubts and questions over what is literal and what isnt in Islam, your problem is with Islam not me. Ask Allah SWT when you see him way some things were so vague and so easily misinterpreted?
If God had wanted us to know everything as it should be, he would have made it so. That he hasnt only means that its left to our own intellect to understand...

[diwana]

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@Med911

I looked at the picture. Personally, im just not offended by it. Peoples oppionions will differ on this, it is what it is. Lets move on.

i didnt make this confusing, its simply how it is. Purdah CAN be interpreted in many ways. **Why are you so certain t means putting a bag over your wife or sister or mother?
**If you have doubts and questions over what is literal and what isnt in Islam, your problem is with Islam not me. Ask Allah SWT when you see him way some things were so vague and so easily misinterpreted?
If God had wanted us to know everything as it should be, he would have made it so. That he hasnt only means that its left to our own intellect to understand…

My dear nudity has been defined.

I never said I like any bag over any of my family member…

I told you I did not want to go personal but since you said that,

Would you like your female family member be the model for this kind of picture?

[Exodus]

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To use such third rate and low language with anyone you dont agree with is really pathetic and shows a certain gutter mentality. Learn to respect and accept other peoples view, you have right to disagree with what others might say but using such language reflects on you not them.

Accept and respect what?

History taught in Pakistani institutes is rubbish?
Theres not a single library for kids in Pakistan?

[Med911]

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@diwana

My dear nudity has been defined.

I never said I like any bag over any of my family member…

I told you I did not want to go personal but since you said that,

Would you like your female family member be the model for this kind of picture?

Im not talking about your family members, im talking in general terms. All our Mothers, sisters or wives… Because when it comes to the discussion over the burka among men, then it is a question of how we treat the women in our lives. Uff…

Ultimately its a matter of culture. If your from a culture where such things are not considered nudity, then thats fine, and if you are, then that fine.
In France, she isnt naked.
My point about all of us being naked under our clothes is that the burka in this case being used to partially cover up a nude woman is not in itself offensive, because that is the purpose of any garment. That its a Burka in this case is not important.

What I would like for my own family, and what they do themselves is irrelevant. People are ultimately responsible for themselves. I just dont find anything offensive in that photo, and I dont think there is a valid reason why the person who came up with the photo should censor themselves to protect those who do find it offensive. Atleast in this case.

The point was, that just because you are offended, doesn’t mean it is offensive to everyone else. Hence, its simply something you have to accept and move on.

[diwana]

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Im not talking about your family members, im talking in general terms. All our Mothers, sisters or wives... Because when it comes to the discussion over the burka among men, then it is a question of how we treat the women in our lives. Uff...

Ultimately its a matter of culture. If your from a culture where such things are not considered nudity, then thats fine, and if you are, then that fine. In France, she isnt naked. My point about all of us being naked under our clothes is that the burka in this case being used to partially cover up a nude woman is not in itself offensive, because that is the purpose of any garment. That its a Burka in this case is not important.

What I would like for my own family, and what they do themselves is irrelevant. People are ultimately responsible for themselves. I just dont find anything offensive in that photo, and I dont think there is a valid reason why the person who came up with the photo should censor themselves to protect those who do find it offensive. Atleast in this case.

The point was, that just because you are offended, doesn't mean it is offensive to everyone else. Hence, its simply something you have to accept and move on.

The discussion is not only about if it is offensive.

It is plain and simple provocative for her to do that.

Like I said, she deliberately chose to offend a lot of people. And those a lot of people are not wrong.

Islam is never about burqa and she could have made her point in less provocative way.

But, after listening to her, that is a wishful thinking on my part.

[ehsan]

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Accept and respect what?

History taught in Pakistani institutes is rubbish? Theres not a single library for kids in Pakistan?

Accept and respect other people's point of view instead of calling them from Heera mandi.

[Exodus]

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Accept and respect other people's point of view instead of calling them from Heera mandi.

Not saying the bad language was acceptable. The person who said that apparently was in rage by the atrocious/inaccurate claim made earlier "History taught in Pakistani schools is rubbish" and such claims have been pretty constant by pretty similar faces in the past, and with pretty similar responses to them too.

[firenze]

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@hareem01

^nonsense.

LOL @ lal topi wala baloongra.

Zaid Hamid is a power hungry idiot.

he is talking about Nusrat Javed who is President of Safma.. .haha.. nearly in every other program he calls him lal topi wala

[firenze]

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regardless of differences, .. this is the first time. Zaid Hamid makes sense.

[snowy_winter]

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Nusrat Javed is an old geyser....... belongs to the group of people who were standing with open arms for the red revolutionaries i.e. russians..... of course that didn't happen, but nusrat didn't recover from that "tragedy" and hence the drinking and the poisonous remarks.