Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid

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^ May be we are asking for too much to expect them to keep away from speculative comments, ad hominems, and use sound reasoning and compassion ... we should know better ... I hate political argumentation - they never admit fault and always answer some other question and not the one directed to them ...

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If you read the post again, she made fun on whole creation of Pakistan.

I read her post few times and then questioned her. That is misleading statement.

Here it is again.

“**the whole procedure of partition **took place within 5 weeks so it proves it was a decision made in haste by Nehru and Jinnah, Britishers obviously instigated it. And Maulana Maddudi was also against partition so having difference of opinion on do qaumi nazriya is nothing new.”

Please read above.

First of all you need to tone down. You are saying shame on you to those who criticize the nude picture.

I think those who support the idea of making such image (computerized or not) should be ashamed.

Hareem, you should be the last person to support nudity shown in this stupid picture by this idiot/indian agent womam. :smack: What happened to you? Were you picked up by the aliens? :slight_smile:

Now, the issue is not about niqab. It is about Hijab and Burqa does not automatically means something with niqab.

You look very dishonest when bring the word ‘niqaab’.

As for me I never agreed to niqab as the strict requirement in Islam for women.

Yes.

Also, Anyone really paid attention to the “Two Nation” theory?

The theory is not JUST about the religious differences between Hindus and Muslims.

If it were, then it would have been called TWO RELIGION theory.

Nope!

For the record:

Make sure we understand the idea which culminated in division of India in 1947 was not just based on religious differences.

It was based on the injustice which was already perceived by Muslim League leaders and MA Jinnah being dishearted by Congress.

Congress which included Muslims too.

Hence, there is a misconception that two nation theory is JUST based on religious differences.

NOW:

Division of Pakistan to make BD is actually the reaffirmation and confirmation of TWO NATION theory.

It is NOT TWO RELIGION theory.

Nations can have many religions free to follow their religions.

It does not negate it..’

Hope that is clear. :slight_smile:

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They did not join India because they knew they are not the same as Indians.

Why?

Your sarcasm is duly noted.

She loves India. Hates Pakistan. Hates its basis.

She should live in India. I say send her in chartered flight with full dignity to India where she can have aa cup of coffee with Bal Thackeray whenever she wants.

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Eid Mubarak to everyone on this thread.

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Yes. Eid Mubarak to........ ALL. :)

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How the hell is she a fascist? Do u even know what a fascist is? These days, just about everyone uses that word to belittle others. There are people who would call u an Islamo Fascist, and it would be just as meaningless. Why dont you challenge her on the points she makes instead of just screaming fascist over and over.And the picture may be offensive to u, but its clearly not offensive to others. So get over it. I mean is it the female body that ofends u, or is it that shez wearing a burqa over it? I Dont know if u know this but ALL women are naked under their clothes!

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Oh so you are against the word Islamofascism. Great! :)

What's up with this argument everyone in naked under the clothes?

1- Does that mean when you see a person with clothes on, you imagine that person to be naked?

2- If someone imagines that, the person is fine and not a pervert?

*3- Must anything which should be hidden be revealed ?
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*4- Every nude picture is acceptable since every person under clothings is actually nude?
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5- Please post a naked picture of yourself frint and back....and say in caption:

"What's wrong with that?... everyone is naked under clothes". ;)

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Two points:

1) The whole burka thing was brought by people here to discredit her b/c of what she said. It wasn't originally part of the discussion & someone posted that from her private blog.

2) People are trying to link burka to religion. Again what does burka has to do with Islam?

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1- Well I was against her because of ONE video. Never heard of this woman before and never saw Zaid or heard him before.

In addition to that if someone brought her so called ‘private’ blog in surface then I think everyone should be thankful.

More info on her the better.

Maybe we all should know what this woman does when she goes to India and meets Bal Thackeray kind of people.

2- Burqa has nothing to do with Islam. Agreed.

Pardah is.

Also, Niqab has nothing to do with Islam.

The point here is not that this woman is against Burqa because it has nothing to do with Islam.

It is about her choice of words (French Kiss), her selection of image and her main message.

Believe me or not, no matter how this idiot and rabid woman thinks of others, **people can sense her intentions.
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She hates division of Indian subcontinent to make Pakistan… just as an Indian would do.

She defends India… as any anti-Pakistani Indian supporter would do.

Her blog is nothing but a piece of garbage based on the lack of the reasoning in her arguments,… and lack of ANY depth in her thoughts.

She started as pretending to be from a Deobandi background. Probably wanted some credit. :smack:

She sounds like a woman who just walked out of kitchen to fight. :slight_smile:

Lastly, let me tell you, her arguments are childish and very usual kind against burqa. Shows that she never ever wanted to read nor learn from,.. or had any encounter with any religious book/person.

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The stupid rants of the defenders of that highly offensive pic have proven my point. They were unable to come with solid facts and are now just blabbering. Some are even saying that everyone is naked under clothes. I can say many things in response but the biased moderators/managers will remove that.

I have already made everything clear and I'm happy that the real, rotten self of the defenders of Islamic values' mockery is revealed. Peace!

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where did u get that. im quite sure u havent read any of them

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im sure whoever watches the Nargis kay stage shows will agree with u and luv to oggle at the pic that is mentioned.
As someone already said two wrong doesnot make right
99% of women wearing burka will find it offensive

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that wasnot what ur original comment suggested.

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:smack:

aap k lye bethar hoga k aap chup hojayaen…

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Quoting directly from Marvi’s article in her personal blog:

  1. She has used the word burqa, pardah & hijab interchangeably. Which means that she’s basically calling pardah a curse. We all know the importance of pardah in Islam. She further ignites these comments with such a picture she posted. It is bound to be controversial obviously. She thinks anyone who’s wearing a burqa/hijab is subjugated. Agreed it’s a personal blog, but a blog is public and anybody who reads it has a right to agree or disagree to it and it’s obvious that it hurt a lot of people.

  2. My major concern of her calling the Two Nation Theory a major farce is because of the fact that it would do nothing but spread more unrest and hopelessness in an already demoralized nation which is suffering an awful lot. (whatever the facts maybe or whatever modified falsified history we have been taught)

  3. We have already seen Extremist Hindu organisations such as Shiv Sina giving hateful comments against Muslims and Pakistan. Remember how Bal Thakre vowed to not let Pakistan play cricket at the worldcup in Mumbai - even threats to SRK (apparently India’s King Khan) on release of My Name is Khan etc. We know all about the Babri Mosque’s brutal burniing down incident too. Are these just coincidences?

  4. Hindus and Muslims have been living together for almost a thousand years while the Muslims were the rulers. But the moment Brits invaded into the subcontinent and in the 1920 elections the Congress Ministries gave Muslims such a terrible time that Jinnah asked Muslims to celebrate Day of deliverance once the Congress Ministries resigned. Day of Deliverance - Wikipedia
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xczktn_rule-of-congress-ministries-2_news

  5. Even if the above and numerous other examples in our history books are cooked or modified, what about the opinion of many of our elders who had lived through the independence. My grandparents always told stories of the horror days when Sikhs and Hindus terribly persecuted the Muslims and raped their women. Alot of other people have their own witnessed incidents they could share. If they were all living so happily why would they even have bothered to leave their families, their assets and everything and migrate to a country with absolutely nothing?

  6. For almost 64 years now, Kashmiris have been suffering from the worst persecution by the Indian army. Why sideline the Kashmir issue. Are they not humans? Am sure that in Balochistan people would never have suffered to that extent. My uncle who’s a geologist had worked for 15 years in Quetta, Zhob and other areas of Balochistan. He said there was always peace and mutual respect for each other at least till the 90s he was there.

Marvi Sirmed is doing what we call lighting up the matchstick, putting oil on troubled waters by such antics and then saying I am Pakistani with a bindi’! It just doesn’t make sense and it’s *obvious *people would take her a controversial figure and doubt her intentions.

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BD did not join India as they knew they are not same as Indians????
**So you mean to reaffrim and confirm that East Bengalis on BD side are different than West bengalis on Indian side??? **LMAO...How are they different apart from Religion?????

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What part of being different you could not understand?

My post throughout said “Not Just religious difference”.

Yes they did not want to live in same country because of relgious dfference and all other differential treatment they perceived because of religios dfference.

If India was so good to them they would have joined or at least wouuld have some good relation with it.

Oh. this reminds me-(Off topic): How many countries India has good relationship in its neighbor? :hmmm:

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What part of being different have you even explained??? You are just talking fluff.

You have not answered my question, let me repeat them…How is east bengali different than west bengali other than religion??? How is west punjabi different than east punjabi other than religion??? Pakistan was created on the basis religion. end of story.

Just an FYI, Bagladesh conferred its highest civilian honor award "Bangladesh Swadhinata Sanmanona"to an former Indian Prime Minister, not to a Paksitani.

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saw this video on youtube.

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I see you are getting confused with what I wrote:

"They knew they were not the same as Indians".

Meaning they did not join India as they knew they were different than Indians since they had been part of Pakistan, it was better for them to be independant than joining India. India was not really perceived as a good partner in this deal by them. They had realized India being a dishonest entiity, merely looking to weaken Pakistan at their expense in that war.

And when I said the difference was not just religion, that included religion. And all other differences which comes ALONGWITH religious differences, incluuding social, legal, dietary, cultural as well as financial system.

*You are trying to show religious difference is an isolated difference, and............. it is not.

Whenever they were given the chance, they chose to be separate from India.
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**As to your statement on Pakistan created based on religious differences..and in the name of Islam, you perhaps need to talk to Sirmed the idiot who thinks Pakistan was supposed to be a secular country.

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As to the last statement of yours, : Who cares?

These awards don't mean anything. They still chose to be separate, Twice.

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Yes Aprico, whosoever speaks truth with practicality in Pakistan is on the payroll of RAW or CIA. We are happy to hear ppl who appease our ego and want to be in our own air castle. Don't you know that Mr.Hamid is also sponsored by our beloved ISI. The corporate security systems design, security systems audit and security intelligence report that he sells via his website for thousands of rupees or equaling gold is only bought by ISI. NO one bought it. Although, he is ready to sell the same for Rs.50 now. Wakeup men. By surfing Internet you can also become Security and Defense Analyst and hatch conspiracy theories.