Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
If you want diversity then shouldn't Europe's culture be distint and a seperate entity than Arab and African.
The world has become a global village but its only Europe which is being forced to become one.
How will Pakistanis react if millions of un-educated Africans started to pour into Pakistan, out breeding Pakistanis, taking over their cities, making African religions majorities in certain Pakistani cities, etc....
Its very easy to pass judgement on others but when push comes to shove and you have to deal with the same problem, then its a whole different issue.
ummm... pakistan has been a place for refuge for lots of other ppl...like afghanis, burmese!!! Ummm.... Europe is not being forced to become a global village! on the contrary Europeans have made the whole world thier village! holy crap in the US they are like oh the face of the US is changing...brown ppl are taking oevr! umm.....it was brown, now its white, and maybe one day it might be brown again! what hte hell....actually europeans dont mind going into other ppl's countries, i mean there are lots all over hte world in every evry country but thats cool, though like i said due to rampant inherent bigotry...other races are not allowed that privilege.
Ease up.... Muslims are not taking over European culture you bigot...its hype from ppl like you, b/c really why dont u admit it mercenary what you really want to see is...Muslims demonized and killed. You cant tolerate that Muslims exist at all...anywhere! and europe where they actually have a decent life-style is killing you! you want to kill us all! and Muslims is not just Africans and Arabs, the largest muslim population in britain is Pakistani!!!
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
you think the black and brown brazilians have taken over brazil when really they have as much a right to be there as the white brazilians! Point being you think in those terms!!! that black and brown brazilians should be thrown out b/c to you somehow they are inferior!
you are a bigot no different then others like you!!!
Calm down Farwah Raza. You generally make good points but you are letting your emotions get the best of you.
There are over 25 Million Germans in Brazil. In Sao Paulo, there are more German Companies in Sau Paulo than anywhere outside of Germany.
There are lots of Germans in Brazil. Gisele Bundchen, the Brazilian supermodel is German.
My comment is about the violence which is plaguging Brazil. With a corrupt system, and a burgeoning population of whites and blacks in Brazil has locked the black population in an endless cycle of poverty which has made the muder rate in Brazil with over 4,000 muders in Rio De Jainero in 1 year worse than war zones.
I am saying this could be the future of Europe. With mostly white Europeans living in Gated communities and black and arab gangs kill each other in European cities. It has already begun to happen in cities like Paris
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
As many as 100,000 French and British citizens have converted to Islam over the last decade, according to a new book by an Israeli historian.
The figures cited by Hebrew University Prof. Raphael Israeli in his upcoming book The Third Islamic Invasion of Europe are representative of the fast-changing face of Europe, which the Islamic history professor says is in danger of becoming "Eurabia" within half a century.
Once again an Israeli/Zionist trying to instill fear in Europeans .... "you are 45 minutes away from Iraq WMD", do Israelis have nothing better to do in their lives?
Did this shmuck prof forgot what "European" have done to rest of the world? Haven't they "europised" so many parts of world, and in fact it was them who ACTUALLY invaded, overcome and pressed their culture on locals. What immigrants are doing is barely 1% of what they have done.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
There are over 25 Million Germans in Brazil. In Sao Paulo, there are more German Companies in Sau Paulo than anywhere outside of Germany.
There are lots of Germans in Brazil. Gisele Bundchen, the Brazilian supermodel is German.
My comment is about the violence which is plaguging Brazil. With a corrupt system, and a burgeoning population of whites and blacks in Brazil has locked the black population in an endless cycle of poverty which has made the muder rate in Brazil with over 4,000 muders in Rio De Jainero in 1 year worse than war zones.
I am saying this could be the future of Europe. With mostly white Europeans living in Gated communities and black and arab gangs kill each other in European cities. It has already begun to happen in cities like Paris
the slution to that problem in brazil is eradicating racism ... not the black population! similarly the solution to Europe's issues is ending thier inherent genocidal ehtno-centricism, not the the Muslim population in europe.
France has a lot of issues...they are having a difficult time keeping up with england and germany and ofcourse the whole idea that French is the international language just isnt sticking...so perhaps its difficult life conditions etc, there are a lot of other issues, and htat maybe contributing to the rapid rise of racism there, and its not limited to Muslims, Jews are being harrassed as well!
and...I know giselle and a lot of the other V.S. models are german descent brazilian! unless u are brazilian, quit quoting facts about brazil, i can get them online just as easily!!
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
tis tis Captain, I'm guessing this 'shmuck' has not forgotten the mistakes Europeans have made in the past, afterall his people are the ones who suffered the most under their largest mistake in moden time, but what does this have to do with the paper? He's using stats to paint a picture of the future, and seeing how Muslims view his homeland, his POV of these population trends would be meet with great alarm...can you honestly blame him?
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
There are over 25 Million Germans in Brazil. In Sao Paulo, there are more German Companies in Sau Paulo than anywhere outside of Germany.
There are lots of Germans in Brazil. Gisele Bundchen, the Brazilian supermodel is German.
My comment is about the violence which is plaguging Brazil. With a corrupt system, and a burgeoning population of whites and blacks in Brazil has locked the black population in an endless cycle of poverty which has made the muder rate in Brazil with over 4,000 muders in Rio De Jainero in 1 year worse than war zones.
I am saying this could be the future of Europe. With mostly white Europeans living in Gated communities and black and arab gangs kill each other in European cities. It has already begun to happen in cities like Paris
the slution to that problem in brazil is eradicating racism ... not the black population! similarly the solution to Europe's issues is ending thier inherent genocidal ehtno-centricism, not the the Muslim population in europe.
France has a lot of issues...they are having a difficult time keeping up with england and germany and ofcourse the whole idea that French is the international language just isnt sticking...so perhaps its difficult life conditions etc, there are a lot of other issues, and htat maybe contributing to the rapid rise of racism there, and its not limited to Muslims, Jews are being harrassed as well!
and...I know giselle and a lot of the other V.S. models are german descent brazilian! unless u are brazilian, quit quoting facts about brazil, i can get them online just as easily!!
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
How the hell do you know they ARE ALL illegal “overstayers.” Have you gone out there to find out personally?
If they are illegal the the French have no obligation to keep them… We already concluded that illegal immigrants have no right to stay in Europe.. Although the fact that most of those deported for being illegal will be those representing only select segments of the populus is another MATTER.
Again you made a another STUPID comment. How is gods name do you know that these people ALL hate France… I think MANY Canadians think all Muslims hate Canada, as its a part of the evil west, in which case YOU should also be deported.
The immigration policy may change, but the fact of the matter is that Canda WAS NOT set up as a nation for immigrants, it was set up to be a nation for Europeans, and particulrly ENGLISH Europeans… You by being there are doing the same thing that you accuse other immigrant like YOU of doing, that is changing the culture and demographics of Canada… Offcourse, you have no problem with Canada turning into another Pind as you put it.
And yes, Canada was founded by people moving from one place to another.. But it was supposed to be ENGLISH WHITES moving from England into N Amerrica.. And the issue of settling is bogus, every country was settled by outsiders at one point or another.. The population make up of Frnace and other countries of Europe has changed over thousands of year… Paris itself was made by a completely different people then those living in it now.
I just see this whole lame ass Canada is made for settlers thing as a for you to excuse your own immigration.
And again, Canada was made forst for White settlers, and then. like the rest of EUROPE, it opened itself up to the rest of the world. If CANada were a country setup for immigrants, then the Chinese would never had the problems they had… Fact is, that Canda, like all the other countries, including America, resisted foreigners, particularly non WHITE foreigners like yourself. So no country was ever setup specifically for immigrants. My point is only to refute you claim that Canada was country based on immigration, which is false, since they made it difficult as possible for people they didnt want to not be able to immigrate or stay once they got there. What ridiculous is how you dont understand this point.
And again, Canada was not made for immigrants, and neither was Europe… But they have opened up their borders, and they have all allowed immigration.
Get it through you head that this idea that Canada is a nation made for immigrants a hog wash… Canda is a country settled by White Anglo Saxons and French… It was never intended to be for brown pakis like you or anyone else.
European countries were settled by Barbarian tribes, each displacing the other… The PARISI the origin tribe which setup Paris, was displaced by the influx of Romans, then by Barbarian tribes. Germany was invaded one tribe after another, many German tribes were pushed into the Roman empire and their descendants are still there, England was taken by the Saxons, and the Angles, the Vikings settled England, Russia, Nothern Europe, the Berber tribes were displaced from Spain and the colonized N Africa. Europe is an immigrant contant as much as anyplace else, doesnt matter if it happend a thousands years ago or a hundered years ago…
Europes demographics have been changing constantly. Europes demographics will continue to change. All the nations you think are so grand, had their populations uprooted, changed, pushed out and replaced.
And the argument is going in circles for you, because your argument is based on this same notion… Canada was made for “foreigners” while Europe was not.
And yes, we as people, have a right to live where we want, every place was settled at one time or another.. But then again, If the leaders of these countries dont want us, we have to respect their decision, even if its a wrong decision based on a wrong premise. You should agree, that if the Canadians dont want you, then they have every right to make you leave aswell…
And tell me this, if the problems caused by Blacks and Muslims start when they arrive in Europe, why arent these same immigrant populations causing problems in Canada, or US? Whats the difference between you and those people immgrating to Europe? If you think crime is the problem they cause, then how do you explain Blacks in America who have the highest representation in jails, and who have gone on riots just like those that happened in France? Im sure you know alot about black americans, why are they such trouble makers despite not being foreigners.
And again, the countries of the new world were made for people of White Anglo saxon, french and Spanish people.. .None of those early settlers ever intended for brown pakis… These countries now have their own culture, heritage, and are no different from European countries.
And the culture of Europe is just as “inviting” as that in Canda or America. You argument is stupid beyond belief.. Americans have their own culture, their own society, and so does Canda, it is one of that is based on White Christian European models, and you by being in Canada are doing nothing more then changing their way of life and makeing Europe into another PIND…
I know more about Jinnah then you ever will, you simply havent read enough. By your statement, and in fact all your statements, you have proven that you know nothing of the world and are nothing more then an immature 24 year old.
And N America was an immigrant nation, but not for you… There really is no such thing as an “immigrant nation,” its all the same. You have as much right ot settle in Canada as a N African has the right to LEGALLY reside in France.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
One last thing Mercenary, your expose your hypocracy in a another way..
On the one hand the Europeans have a right to defend their culture and their demographics, and on the other you think they should all adopt ISLAM!
Thats the biggest cultural invasion of them all...
Your not as politically correct as you try to be.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
asalam Alaikom ppl,
what is more scary? A white indiginous revert to Islam or a 'foreign import? Islam itself should not scare anyone. I have never had my door knocked by a muslim trying to persaude me to alter my beliefs...but I along with many others have had my door knocked for years by Jehovah Witnesses. I don't ever get angry with Christians, Catholics, Sihks etc who want to pray there way, (I even housed a Sihk woman in need recently with no expectations or financial gain) and though when asked I do explain my beliefs and feel Alhamdulillah...I know that aside from Allah (God) no-one can cause belief to enter a heart. Most muslims in Europe just do their own thing, go to school and mix, go to work and mix...its a pretty recent phenomena of rhetoric which claims there are problems with muslims being willing to integrate. The bombings have been causal of a lot of fear for even the muslims actually. I have been attacked for being muslim many times, but I never attacked anyone for not being muslim.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Asalam Alaikom wa rachmatullah wa burracha tahu…
Respect to you…first for the sentiment, second for the acknowledgement of lineage… Jewish, Christian, Muslim…and even those of other faiths or none are still our brothers and sisters. Inshallah we will strive to seek peaceful unity not persue an Islamic ‘crusade’ or commit genocide.
Only God knows which of us is most deserving of His blessings:blush:
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
salam mercenary2k...
hmmmm... I am 'borrowing' the tag b'cos waiting to be switched on...I'm a revert/convert (depending on stance) and have been learning for 6 years...by choice. I came to Islam voluntarily and hope my burial will reflect my Islamic status. Racism is racism...and you clearly are. 'Arabs and Blacks breed'... What is wrong with you???? So I guess as a white woman I start a family, but if I were not I'd be breeding???
Why do you have such views? I live in Europe and have never met a muslim, or a converted muslim who think coercsion is the way forward. BUT I have met many people like you who are intolerant and spread fear and hate. That scares me more. :-(
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
hmmm…slavery = guest, skilled immigrant workers actually ensure the infrastructure works, certainly the U.K. would be grinding to a halt…
there are (believe it or not) Christian, Jewish, Bhuddist, and other religious communities who are not white!!! I know isn’t it amazing?!
Europes identity and culture and Art inlcudes historically Islam- surgical instruments that lay in western operating theatres today are changed very little from a thousand plus years ago when Islam first produced them, Spanish architecture is a beautifully ornate artistic Islamic display.
Christianity can be traced right back to Etheopia and Jerusalem. It’s not a ‘European invention’!
Europe is a cultural and colorful fusion because it has been invaded for centuries. It’s wonderful art comes from so many different influences.
Why, tell me do people like you have to blame Islam for Europes problems?
It’s not even factually based. There are problems with many areas of European life. Violence rises especially during the football season and due to alcohol consumption.
I could go on, but what is the point???
Question though? Do the ‘Artefacts’, recipes and clothing that Europeans collect from travels and put in our homes, use, utilise also count as part of an invasion? Just wondering…
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
^^ dude, the point is, you wouldn't like it if some people from some foreign started to come to pakistan by the millions and were soon to become the majority in Pakistan who were not islamic and replacing their culture with yours
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Dude, counter point is, everything is done within their own laws, had they not been so open to 'immigrants' people may not have moved in such numbers, so get over "invasion".
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Salam mercenary2k...I am the wife (so dudette I guess?hehe) but more to the point is this. I LIVE IN EUROPE. I was born and raised in a multi ethnicity area of U.K. and we had 10 years ago 72 different cultures mixing then. The muslim community predominantly started to arrive in our small pocket in the 1970's. BUT Islam arrived in the U.K more than 100 years ago and has been practised ever since. I have only been practising Islam for 6 years and I appreciate the values, mindset etc I have adopted more confidantly as a consequence. Not all people who claim to be muslim necessarily practice it or do so properly. But Islam itself is an all encompassing faith...a way of life. The hate and terrorism that people are bringing to and connecting to Islam is human failing...not religious.
I do love the U.K. because it is so very cosmopolitan . And whilst there is a lot of anti west sentiments around...you know what? A majority of 'Brits' have a very 'live and let live' attitude. Hate and bigotry etc. are sometimes fuelled by fear etc. But the muslims who preach violence and instating a Caliphate from within Europe are misguided, the reason is because faith enters the heart, the Islamic law is clear also that the Caliphate should originate from an Islamic country, when a muslim is 'abroad' s/he must abide by the rule of the land as long as s/he does not ignore the 'fard' of Islam.
Also many Brits have a thirst for learning about and accepting other cultures...and the mix should be tolerant of each other, its a 2 way process. only if propagaters brain wash ppl will gated communities spring up...and that would be a tragedy...
