Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe

Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Jan. 23, 2007
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS

As many as 100,000 French and British citizens have converted to Islam over the last decade, according to a new book by an Israeli historian.

The figures cited by Hebrew University Prof. Raphael Israeli in his upcoming book The Third Islamic Invasion of Europe are representative of the fast-changing face of Europe, which the Islamic history professor says is in danger of becoming “Eurabia” within half a century.

He noted that about 30 million Muslims currently live in Europe, out of a total population of 380 million., adding that with a high Muslim birthrate in Europe, the number of Muslims living in the continent is likely to double within 25 years.

Israeli also cited massive immigration and Turkey’s future inclusion in the EU as the primary reasons why the face of Europe will be indelibly changed within a generation.

European concerns over a fast-growing Muslim population is at the center of opposition to Turkey’s entry into the EU, he said, as the inclusion of Turkey into the EU will catapult the number of Muslims to 100 million out of a total population of 450 million.

“The sheer weight of demography will produce a situation where no Frenchman or Dutchman could be elected to parliament without the support of the Muslim minority,” he said Monday in an interview with The Jerusalem Post.

“Muslims will have a more and more decisive voice in the makeup of European governments.”

“With Turkey as a member of the EU, the process will be accelerated, without [Turkey] it will be slower but it will still happen,” he added. Turkey has strong relations with Israel.

The historian, who has authored 19 previous books, said that Muslim political power in Europe would directly impact domestic politics, including Europe’s immigration policy, with millions of additional Muslims waiting at the door to gain entry to the EU as part of “family reunification” programs.

“Every European with a right mind has every reason to be frightened,” Israeli said.

The 50,000 French and 50,000 British who have converted to Islam over the last decade, including many from mixed marriages, did so for personal convictions, romanticized notions of Islam, as well as for business reasons, while others see Islam as the wave of the future at a time when Christianity is on the wane, Israeli said.

He said that Muslims converting to Christianity existed but their numbers were significantly smaller.

Israeli noted that conversions in mixed marriages worked only in one direction since a Muslim woman who marries a Christian is considered an apostate in her community, and faces physical danger.

“It is time one should wake up and realize what is happening in Europe,” he concluded.
Israeli’s book is due out in London in the coming months.

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Comment:

For years the Jews and the Zionist lobby has been influential within Europe and America and secured help and support for the Israeli state, now they see Muslim becoming politically active within the framework of Islam and engaging in discusisons wiht non-Muslim intellectuals and policy makers and explaining the ideology of Islam and its ruling system the Caliphate. Instead of praising the initiative of Muslims for better community cohesion and harmony via debate and discussion, this author creates more hysteria and fear with comments typical of the BNP and other racist parties.

Its quite ironic that similar things were said about Jews once upon a time no doubt this man has not learnt any lessons from the history of the Jews in Europe in the 1930s.

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^Watch "Islam Empire of Faith" by PBS hosted by Ben Kensley... Or EX HP CEO Carly Fiona her speech on Islamic empires and its massive contribution.

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The world would be better of with a bigger muslim population in Europe... A more balanced approach to foreign policy may ensue.

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Jews never approached the 8-15% of the population like we are talking about in this article. The Jews never talked about implementing a religious state that would be in direct compeitition with the West and its philsophies. The Jews had much more similar customs, norms, practices, dress, laws, etc as the rest of the population and didn't try to keep a separate culture w/o integrating into society.

There are many differences with European Musilms as compared to Jews - not really a valid comparison to pre-war Europe.

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"Every European with a right mind has every reason to be frightened,"

If someone said the same thing about his clan the would be labelled as anti dentite or something stupid by spin pundits

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kinda scary what the europeans still did to them though, so much for assimilation and shyt

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its strange you should write this as a supporter of tough action in afghanistan and western pakistan. do you agree with european foreign policy or not?

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Very scary. I'm not suggesting different cultures should totally integrate or that Europeans should be frightened as this author suggests. But 15% of the population is a large subculture with very different views that Euro culture/governments are going to have to address and get used to.

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dont get me wrong, I am a very firm believer in integration (versus all assimilation..although some assimilaton is good and needed), and I think ther eis a lot of work that is needed on both the muslim immigrants side, as well as the european institutions.

either side wanting to keep things 'just the way they were' is not going to do anyone any favours, both need to evolve and grow together and that can only happen with open communication and reaching out.. mutually.

The immigrant muslim communities at large, and the europeans govts at large.. fail in this regard.

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Europe is committing suicide by letting these people in.

Europe's culture, its arts will all be gone. Its people will be huddled into gated communities as rival immigrant gangs battle it out in major European cities much like what is happening in Brazil.

With the mostly white Brazilian majority lives in Gated Communities and rival black and brown gangs kill each other in the massive ghettos that surround its major cities.

Europe has no filtration process in which it brings good muslim immigrants and kick out the rest. That is why in Canada and USA, most muslims who live there are decent people where as in Europe they are the bottom of the barrel.

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merc

europe has the issue of the more uneducated groups moving from diff countries which brings with it the host of issues that lack of education brings.

although the same is happening with the eastern european folks moving in they are the bottom of the barrel types in most cases also and you can just see the impact of it already.

btw..could you clarify about brazil, so like the whites lived there prior to the kalay and bhooray? and then the arrival of these 2 groups kinda messed up wat the goray had? please elaborate

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Carly Fiorian delivered a speech "on Islamic empires and its massive contribution"?

Link, please.

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I am just stating an analogy of Brazil in the context of Europe.

Brazil's original inhabitants were Native Indians. Europeans came and intermarried with the Natives to produce a Mestizo people. Slaves started coming in as well.

So you had a white minority, with an inter-mixed white-native population (Mestizo) and a black slave population.

In the 18th and 19th century, large numbers of Europeans migrate to Brazil and whites in the 1880's become the majority in Brazil overtaking the Mestizo.

White population of Brazil today is around 60%.
Mestizo (White-Native) is around 20%
Black is around 10%
Native is 5%
And the remaining 5% is Asian (Mostly Chinese, Japanese, Arabs)

As for Euope,

The Eastern Europeans are christians, have white skin and look like Western Europeans and so can easily mingle in Western Europe. Its like an Arab from Morocco migrating to Saudi Arabia.

How would these Arabs react if millions of millions of Chinese or Black people permanently moved into Arab Lands, get involved in crime, bring foreign religion, bring extremism, etc.....

Europeans so far have been very tolerant of these uneducated immgrants moving into their countries, but not for long.

Soon, they will elect Far-Right wing governments which will hopefully stop immigration and kick out all the illegal overstayers.

No offense, when I go to France or England to visit, I expect to see White French and white British people rather than africans, etc....

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  1. would the raction be diffrent if people who look like locals get involved in crime and bring in extremism etc?

  2. does that hold just for the uneducated, criminal, extremist ones only or you dont really want to see educated, civilized, professional, well intgerated darkies either?

PS: should we not expect to see you in the west either :slight_smile:

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Yes it would. Foreign extremists moving into European lands is a foreign problem. Local extremists such as Neo-Nazis or Combat18 are local problems and have to be tackled locally.

Basically, Europe is suppose to be European. Europe is not a multicultural continent or a multi-racial. People who move there are doing it for economic reasons. If there are some non-whites who are qualified enough to move there and properly integrate into the society by speaking its languages, etc, then I got no problem with that, although I hope it would be very small.

I am not trying to be a racist but there should be one part on this planet where I can go and not meet people who look like me. And if Europe is gone, where else is there to go?

If these 3rd world immigrants turn Europe into a ghetto like their countries, what other part of the world is left?

I live in Canada, where it is the Western World it was formed on immigration and hence any qualified person can move here.

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your view is racist, but within todays acceptable limits as a political stance. so are you admiting you are white?

btw the bnp represent your view in britain*

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Nope, I am not white and thats why I dont live in Europe.

Groups like BNP are going to become a common sight.

There are far worse groups than the BNP in Pakistan and such and the only reason for the BNP spotlight is due to England's democracy.

Look at the BLA, they do no want any non-Balochis moving into Balochistan even though they are Pakistani.

How do you expect people in England to react to these jihal villagers coming from Pakistan and moving there.

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i dont have much of a view on the immigration subject. i would add that pakistanis here arnt that bad, or any worse then their equivelent whites. most whites are more civilised when it comes to political issues, probably due to nothing more then a benefit of the advanced economy. whites can hate, when they do its as one!

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mercenary2k stated

Yes it would. Foreign extremists moving into European lands is a foreign problem. Local extremists such as Neo-Nazis or Combat18 are local problems and have to be tackled locally.

europe is not some homogenous entity, as evidenced by the many wars within europe and the distrust that many europeans feel towards each other, nordic, gaelic, whatever..and just because the person is white does not make it a local problem. the crime that eastern europeans have brought with them to London is a foriegn issue.

*Basically, Europe is suppose to be European. Europe is not a multicultural continent or a multi-racial. People who move there are doing it for economic reasons. If there are some non-whites who are qualified enough to move there and properly integrate into the society by speaking its languages, etc, then I got no problem with that, although I hope it would be very small. *

europe is more multicultural and multi racial than canada. People who moved to Canada moved for economic reasons too, I mean the weather is nothing to write home about, so i doubt that could be the reason :)

I am not trying to be a racist but there should be one part on this planet where I can go and not meet people who look like me. And if Europe is gone, where else is there to go?

zoo? I dunno... xenophobia is just not the answer. I am all for immigration controls so the right people can come in thru proper channels, but having zero immigration or minimal because people look different or eat different foods is a bit too much..

If these 3rd world immigrants turn Europe into a ghetto like their countries, what other part of the world is left?

I guess that was the thinking of Idi Amin when he made the brownies leave Uganda, and that of Mugabe as he started forcing the white africans to leave.

I live in Canada, where it is the Western World it was formed on immigration and hence any qualified person can move here.

well, first of all it deoends on what you mean by 'western world' and then how far you go back to see how europe was populated. England was populated by immgration too, albeit in a time when canada was just inhabited by the natives (btw what happened to them in canada and is there a place they can go where they can see natives and not immigrants)

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Europe would be committing suicide if it didn’t let these people in. With a negative population growth rate, what is going to run & sustain their economy, if not the immigrants? :naraz: