Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe

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They were invited as guest workers and once their work was done they were expected to leave but they stayed and brought in their families and those families sponsored other families, etc...

Now what you have is hundreds of thousands of africans and arabs coming on boats to Europe

And in my opinion they should. A few years of hardship is much better than their continent being taken over by foreigners

Well in those days, conquest was the norm.

I just dont want Europe to be taken over by people like you.

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This pretty much sums up why there are many who justify Islamaphobia. If this were the predominant view of Muslims, I'd be an Islamaphobe myself and might even be on board with Bush's outrageous foreign policy. That's scary stuff dude. It totally justifies what otherwise are reckless and unwarranted policies of the Bush administration.

Before advocating the Islamic conquest of the world, perhaps you should try to improve the plight, actions, unity, education and other societal woes of the Muslims we already have. Sorry, but I don't see any current Muslim movement, government, religious leader or society that deserves or can possibly be the conquering force of the world. It will take more than "the technology you gain from Europe".

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Seminole...fear the day he gets the radioshack catalog!!!!!!!

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I'm quivering at the thought. Can you imagine if he gets a job at Best Buy!? The western world will be doomed.

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you are such a bigot!!!! such a bigot!!

no wonder you support current Israeli governmental policies in the manner in which you do! you freakin hate Muslims....you bigot!

and u know what i have noticed about ppl like you, you hate not just muslims, u hate blacks too! probably all brown ppl in general.

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Haters like you make the world a miserable place! you just can't tolerate people who are different then you!

here's my thesis, and actually shared by some highly qualified peace activists. the theory is you bigots have low self-esteem issues! u are not able to make yourself feel good about youself, by just looking atyour own accomplishment. so what you do is, instead of looking at your accomplishments as an individual you start to identify youself with a group and look at the group's accomplishments to make yourself feel good about yourself. so then you can say of well i am proud of myself, not b/c of anything i did (most likely b/c u have not done much!) but then u can say i am proud of myself b/c i belong to this group (lets say for example...i am proud to be Jewish...i say this only b/c i think you are, it can happen to members of any group muslims, hindu's christians ....anyone). so now you are proud to be Jewish, and now u can give your self that pat on the back that you couldnt before, b/c well the Jewish people are very accomplished and b/c u are Jewish....u can feel proud of yourself!

and then ofcourse, b/c ppl like you are not very accomplished or disciplined, you use your group for horrid ends. so we have ppl like Noam Chomsky, and hten there are ppl like you!!! who take credit ..or make themself feel good due to ppl like chomsky's accomplishments, but really dont have half the brain, the wisdom these more accomplished ppl do! n b/c u dont have the wisdom, but have the arrogance, you are bigots! and quite evil....and make the world a f'ed up place!

I bet you really are wanitng to be the mercenary you icon claims u to be! i bet you want to blast ppl too! i bet you do..!!! but see you are no different then those "terrorists" you hate! you are bigot just like them!!!

you know why i depsise racist bigots like you, b/c u have contributed nothing to this world! and yet feel entitled to f-uck it up!

go do something ...so u can be proud of yourself!! build something, give something, anything to make this world better! there is a difference b/t pride and arrogance, arrogance will get you f'ked, pride might actually take you places!

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^ Well said. The only thing that I would like to add is that arrogance generally comes from strength...or the disparity in strength between two parties. We as muslims also need to become stronger in every field. Its not that the Jews have more brains. How can 20 million people have more intelligence than 1 billion people. In that 1 billion even if a small percentage have a high I.Q then that still would make those numbers more than all the Jews. Its just that they have the privilege of education, money and unity that we do not have currently. Muslims intelligence in not utilised and hence wasted. However time is on our side and we can only improve inshallah.

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No need to lose your cool.

All I said was that Europe has its own culture and identity and I do not want that identity to be taken over by Arabs and Africans.

Just like Africans have Africa or Arabs have middle east as their homeland, Europeans have Europe and thus should not be taken over.

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to all the European mulsims present here, i wrote this looong post and it was erased, here it is again.

Europeans have nothing to fear, firstly A Europe that is pre-domintely Muslim is a far cry from the truth. it is a ridiculous, absurd exageration of the truth!!
Secondly, even if it ever ever (which is highly unlikely) were Muslim even 50%, Europeans still dont have anything to worry about. Europeans quite literally dominate the entire planet. Not only to Europe's inhabitants are a majority on thier continent, they also are the majority on most of the earth's continents, with the exception of Africa and Asia - they are the majority in North America, South America and Australia, at the expense and wiping out of the native populations of those countries.

The populations of the Americans and Australia were also wiped out due to the same ethno-centric and genocidal tendencies we see in Europe against Muslims today. This is why it is imperitive that Muslims in Europe call atention to this inherint racist and genocidal tendency of the European culture, or certainly call attention to the genocidal past of Europe and indicate the presence of similar traits in whats happening in Europe now.

Europeans have in the past, and i think have tendency (perhaps its cultural) to demonize and dehumanize all those different from them, and then proceed to wipe them off. With native Americans and Australians, they called them barbarians, people who were dangerous b/c htey killed with thier little bow and arrows (irespective of hte fact that these ppl were living harmoniously with each other and the planet for ages before the europeans ever descended on there homalands). The Hatred was so so severe that they were wiped off the planet! this happened on three different continents!!! and then, in Europe itself the Jewish minority was sverely demonized, they were made out to be evil, and again the hatred was so immense that they proceeded to wipe them off the planet as well. The same thing with Muslims. The bigotry against Muslims is NOT a POST 9/11 matter, its been there all along, Bosnia is an indication! 9/11 has just made it more obvious b/c now the government and people can blatantly be racist! So please if you are a European Muslim recognize this bogotry and call attention to it. go to your local newspapers, your local church's, your politicians, write to them, talk amongst yourself's talk with non-Muslims, write, scream shout - call attention to the ethno-centric and genocidal tendencies the European culture, lest our fate be that of the others that were so hated by these ppl, so hated...that they were exterminated! Apologies after will be no good! Speciallyif the cycle continues, and tommrow ...who knows what other group will have the same fate! therefore, I think since due to our current oppression in the world, since we are suffering the brunt of this genocidal tendency, we must - have an obligation - to call attention to it, and do something about it. I have found most church's to be a place of peace, and have also found Europeans to be eductaed enough that they will realize the socio-psychological issues here, and will do whats needed to correct that!!

Therfore, dont hide, call attention to the bigotry!! call it what it is - an inherint genocidal tendency of a culture, that may not even be apparent to the ppl of that culture!

Muslims are very much akin to their native american/ australina and Jewish counterparts, we are not a real threat at all, we are being made out to be this great threat! More Muslims have died at the hand of christian Europeans then it has ever been the other way around. We lack any ability to hurt anyone! Ourhistory is a long one, and in that history terrorism has not been a big part. Even when we conquered lands, as many empire's do...we never wiped civilizations off the planet, much like any other empire that conquers, with the exception of European empire's! for some reason this form of conquering is an aberation b/c not only did htey conquer they also exterminated the ppl they conquered. Genocide is becoming way too much a comfortable occurence and idea in that culture and we must all as people of this planet be weary of something like that. Terrorism is not specific to Muslims, its not as if it has never happened in Europe before, it is certainly not as if Muslims invented this new form of violence, its been around for ages, so this special treatment of Muslims as if we invented and our the sole proprioters of this form of violence is absured, just as absurd as the notion that a Jewish minority was a threat, or as absurd that people who were fighting with bows and arrows posed any real threat to ppl with sophisticated weapons and other machinery.

Spread the word, not just for your Muslims fellows but for the people of the world in general!

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I think any group of people that has had significant challenges in thier lives strive to do the best. The events at the end of world war 2, instead of making them weaker, as their enemies thought, actually made them stronger. I see similar things happening with Muslims, we are becoming better beings by virtue of our oppression! I defintely see changes, we are more aware of the world aroundus, our vlaues are fastly changing to incoporate an education on peace and education. Good stuff! Inshallah we will take out lead from our brothers and sisters of the Jewish faith!

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^^ dude the problem is that that arabs and africans that are moving to europe are not filtered like they are in north america and what ends up happening is some of the most conservative and illeterate people end up moving to the most liberal places on the planet and thus creating a culture clash

And are also not patriotic to these countries.

these people who are moving there are economic migrants.

the arabs in france cheer for algeria. the pakistanis in england cheer for pakistan and turks in germany cheer for germany when their countries play each other

this is creating a dangerous 5th column in Europe.

where as people who moved to USA, lets say German immigrants, fought bravely in World War I and World War II, the same cannot be expected of these people.

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Europeans also have Argentina, Australia, Canda, and the US as their homeland! And as for hte European identity and culture, its everywhere! If you have not noticed how Italian designers are making clothes not just for europe but for the whole world now. The fashion shows of Japan and indonesia are not flaunting traditional garb...but rather pants, tops and skirts!!

Thw world has become a global village, boundaries have become irrelevant, nation states will soon become obsolete, and the culture in common - that we all share today is European more then anything else!

Ofcourse nothing takes away from the fact that i dont like bigots, i dont think anybody should! b/c in all this they - you! - will be busy making the world an f'd up place!

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O! PS mercenary you know those Brazilians - yea the white Brazilians who you fear are being threatened by the black brazilians - yea those - u kno they are german mostly right.... thats right former Nazi's who ran away after to avoid the trials etc! it all comes aroudn full circle doesnt it! haters admiring haters!

you...nazis...al-qaeda...you are all the same... BIGOTS!!

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^^ Doesnt matter what else they have, Europe is their homeland and birth place of their culture. This great tide of human migration to Europe is going to supercede Arab and African culture over European.

If you want diversity then shouldn't Europe's culture be distint and a seperate entity than Arab and African.

The world has become a global village but its only Europe which is being forced to become one.

How will Pakistanis react if millions of un-educated Africans started to pour into Pakistan, out breeding Pakistanis, taking over their cities, making African religions majorities in certain Pakistani cities, etc....

Its very easy to pass judgement on others but when push comes to shove and you have to deal with the same problem, then its a whole different issue.

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Those former nazis number less than a few hundred in their high point in the late 1950's and 60's

please do your research before you make such absurd comments

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The Brazilians speak Portuguese. I would think they have Portuguese or Spanish ancestry rather than German.

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by the way for everyone else...Brazil much like Argentina - is predominantely white. Thoug their laws are not racist, racism is deeply ingrainded in the social culture and psyche of the people. They are very proud of their whiteness, argentines even swear they are european. They despise brown or black, racism is everywhere, they want to marry and associate only with whites, so thus the darker ppl in society end up witht eh short end of the stick, they will not sually be in positions of power. For instance, the politicians, the actors on TV there, will all bemostly white. Even lets say in hiring practices, you own a shop you will want white ppl working for you, b/c you want to come off as white as possible to the ppl you cater to, therefore you wil hire white. I mean its so blatantly there! but still its sooooo deeply ingrained in thier culture..that u just cant make neutral laws to fight it! you see these are the sorta places that kinda make you appreciate the notions of "affirmative action"!!! they need affirmative action but ofcourse thier politicians also want to look white! so they dont care to have many colored pl on board are happy with the way things are!

unforunately its not just brazil and argintina - though they are the most white of all other places, its also true of columbia and mexico, that are also predominately euro/white

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yea they do! i lived there for a bit ...so i know what i am tlaking about! WW2 happned wayyyy after the portugues were there. Germans are recent immigrants...mostly in the south of Brazil. (wheni say recent i mean like early 50's) but the racial issues are all over.

but yea, Nazi's ran down to Brazil

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Nazis ran away to South Africa, Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil.

Adolph Einchmann, the man who ran the Holocaust, was captured by Israeli agents in Argentina in 1959

Also, Joseph Melenge, Hitler's personal physician who experimented on the Jews died in Brazil in 1976

Other former Nazis left for Egypt and Spain such as Otto Skorzeny (once called the most dangerous man in Europe in December 1944)

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Its not an absurd comment, it doesnt take away from the fact, that you seem to think that black brazilians and brown brazilians are not really brazilians, but the white brazilians, marginilizing these ppl and living in thier gated communities are more brazilian! As i recall, there is a decent population of germans in the south of Brazil (all in all about 6/7% of brazils population is german decent, some estimate about 12 million) so granted not all the folk in the gated communities are nazi's but some maybe...and you are defending the bigotry popular int he society.

you think the black and brown brazilians have taken over brazil when really they have as much a right to be there as the white brazilians! Point being you think in those terms!!! that black and brown brazilians should be thrown out b/c to you somehow they are inferior!

you are a bigot no different then others like you!!!