Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Check the last 1428 years. Islam has never contradicted itself but Science has always contradicted iteself from time to time with every new development / research.
oh please. when was it when science contradicted itself? you have just taken something straight out of a moulvi book and put it here.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
oh please. when was it when science contradicted itself? you have just taken something straight out of a moulvi book and put it here.
Whether we choose to call it contradiction or iterative refinement based on research, it implies the same thing. It depends on how much we can discover and relate to, what we can theorize and prove.
Belief in God is not a religion but an innate sense and perception. Believing in a religion is about which of those explanations appeal to your innate perception of senses the most.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
OMG that video is hilarious!! lollllllllll
ha ha ha ..stupid scientists
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Religions will never leave us.
Religion provides an explanation for the seemingly unexplainable and unfair things in life, death of a loved one, for instance. Suffering, pain, and pleasure.
Religion provides meaning for people's lives. No one likes to contemplate that our lives are just random events with no inherent meaning, and that when we die, it's all over. We conjure up afterlives to trick ourselves into believing that what we do actually matters.
Humans have an inherent, pitiful need to believe in something greater than themselves. It's why we created gods. It feeds our pride to believe that we are working for some greater being's master plan. It also provides an escape for the cowardly. By humbling ourselves before the feet of an invisible master being, we can escape responsibility for our actions by saying it was the Will of God. Religions truly are for the masses of people who simply can not believe in themselves, and can not draw willpower from within, so they invent something else to draw power from.
As long as mankind yields to despicable self-loathing, religions will continue.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Religions will never leave us.
Religion provides an explanation for the seemingly unexplainable and unfair things in life, death of a loved one, for instance. Suffering, pain, and pleasure.
Religion provides meaning for people's lives. No one likes to contemplate that our lives are just random events with no inherent meaning, and that when we die, it's all over. We conjure up afterlives to trick ourselves into believing that what we do actually matters.
Humans have an inherent, pitiful need to believe in something greater than themselves. It's why we created gods. It feeds our pride to believe that we are working for some greater being's master plan. It also provides an escape for the cowardly. By humbling ourselves before the feet of an invisible master being, we can escape responsibility for our actions by saying it was the Will of God. Religions truly are for the masses of people who simply can not believe in themselves, and can not draw willpower from within, so they invent something else to draw power from.
As long as mankind yields to despicable self-loathing, religions will continue.
Peace Worshipyourself
So don't you think humans will evolve out of such aimless beliefs?
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
There will always be religion because man will always be spiritual. God will always exist. If mankind even survives another
Good post.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Check the last 1428 years. Islam has never contradicted itself but Science has always contradicted iteself from time to time with every new development / research.
Did science say airplanes can not fly in air?
Or rail can not be run on tracks?
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
^ r u implying that islam was of this view?
One of the signs of Dajjal is that man will be able to travel from one side of the globe to the other in a very short period of time... 1400 years ago, ppl may not have understood but they accepted it... no one back then denied the existence of air travel (had it been conveyed to them)
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Whether we choose to call it contradiction or iterative refinement based on research, it implies the same thing. It depends on how much we can discover and relate to, what we can theorize and prove.
Belief in God is not a religion but an innate sense and perception. Believing in a religion is about which of those explanations appeal to your innate perception of senses the most.
Salam brother USR,
Hit the nail on the head wo bhi ek dum center mein.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
^ r u implying that islam was of this view?
One of the signs of Dajjal is that man will be able to travel from one side of the globe to the other in a very short period of time... 1400 years ago, ppl may not have understood but they accepted it... no one back then denied the existence of air travel (had it been conveyed to them)
No I did not mean than. STP was saying science condraticted itself.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
^ r u implying that islam was of this view?
One of the signs of Dajjal is that man will be able to travel from one side of the globe to the other in a very short period of time... 1400 years ago, ppl may not have understood but they accepted it... no one back then denied the existence of air travel (had it been conveyed to them)
Did it specifically mention the word "globe"?
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Did science say airplanes can not fly in air? Or rail can not be run on tracks?
Mostar95, we dont look science only for about 100 years but since the greek philosophers and goes on and on and you know that science has contradicted itself.
Starting from earth as the center of the universe, then the sun, then stating that sun is fixed, where as we know sun also floats around teh orbit.
Then theories such as moon has its own light well its proven moon has reflected light, then it was believed earth was flat but now its proven otherwise.
This is just one instance then science initially thought the working bee was a male working bee, but its proven wrong today even Aristotle believed in teh same.
What you have provided is not even tip of an ice berg, so contradiction has been constant with respect to science with theories, and more theories but lesser facts.
What STP was addressing was science has contradicted, taken a complete U turn umpteen no. of times but not the Quran.
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Mostar95, we dont look science only for about 100 years but since the greek philosophers and goes on and on and you know that science has contradicted itself.
Starting from earth as the center of the universe, then the sun, then stating that sun is fixed, where as we know sun also floats around teh orbit.
Sorry but these were all religions claims.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
then it was believed earth was flat but now its proven otherwise.
Quran still gives this impression.
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Quran still gives this impression.
People have this feeling (due to translation), i had to discuss with a well qualified Arab (both in Arabic grammar and Quran) i will just try to get that stuff for you right here
Other than that lots of other verses prove otherwise that Quran was exactly like an ostrich's egg, the day and night due to rotation of earth is all written within the Quran.
The verse from 3 translator
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079.030
YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); **PICKTHAL: And after that **He spread the **earth,
SHAKIR: And the **earth, *He expanded it after that. *
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My query
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Brother AB, Zakir Naik and Harun Yahya, use the word dahaha from root word dahv which is round but exactly oval.
Zakir Naik coz to prove scientific miracle in the Quran use the word dahaha as Ostrich egg but hte 3 translators have said as above. I wanna know what you feel. I want you take on this. Thansk
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The Answer
I have read at various places on the net that Quran was the first to annouce earth is not flat. Here is one example from islamicwell.com
"Shape of earth: Quran 79:30. Amazingly, the arabic term is dahaba (whose root refers to egg shaped) is used for the earth. To be more exact, it normally refers to an ostrich egg which, like the earth, is more or less geospherical The fact that the earth was round (not flat) was established only in 1597 C.E. when Sir Francis Drake sailed around the world approximately 900 years after the Quran was revealed. "
Now this is a refute again
79:30 And the land after that He spread out.
Can any one elaborate on the arabic word "dahaba". Does that really mean ostrich egg? Or did muslims just introduce the word egg to twist the argument towards favor of science?
Now the answer
Actually the word "Dahaha" is a verb and not a noun, it is not commonly known as an ostrich egg but it is commonly known as follow:
Please note the verb is "Daha", the extra "ha" at the end, is called Damir that is referring to the earth
Daha : a verb to make something into a ball that looks like an egg, i.e. it is not a perfect ball
Yes mate, i actually remember the first time I read this verse, it was abut 20 years ago and was sitting with a friend and we were reading the Quran then when we read the word Dahaha me and him were speechless, please bear in mind that me and him are *native Arabic speakers so when we read the word it was clear to us that it is a miracle *
I think they got mixed up with another Quran verse describing the earth:
Allah said in the Quran, "Wa Al Ard Madadnaha" which means to spread out, the word Dahaha is totally different meaning.
There is also another verse that even suggest the earth diameter at the poles is shorter than the diameter at the equator:
أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّا نَأْتِي الأَرْضَ نَنقُصُهَا مِنْ أَطْرَافِهَا وَاللّهُ يَحْكُمُ لاَ مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكْمِهِ وَهُوَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ (41)
[The Quran ; 13:41]
All popular translators translated the above verse wrong
The verse is telling us to look at the earth and see how Allah is reducing it at its "Atrafiha", which clearly means "Its Poles" i.e Allah is reducing the earth from its poles
Somehow they translated 13:41 as follow which is totally wrong btw:
YUSUFALI: See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (Where) Allah commands, there is none to put back His Command: and He is swift in calling to account.
PICKTHAL: See they not how we aim to the land, reducing it of its outlying parts? (When) Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom, and He is swift at reckoning.
SHAKIR: Do they not see that We are bringing destruction upon the land by curtailing it of its sides? And Allah pronounces a doom-- there is no repeller of His decree, and He is swift to take account.
[The Quran ; 13:41]
I see all three translators above are very wrong indeed
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
^Mostar95,
There might be more queries to it but if you read the popular Lane Lexicon also the Dahawa (the root word) means ostrich egg
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
Peace Worshipyourself
So don't you think humans will evolve out of such aimless beliefs?
If you're talking about religion, then No. As long as there is an emotional void to fill, we'll make something up to fill it.
If you're talking about nihilism, then No. Because if you actually shut out the sentimentality of religion, you realize that our existence is useless.
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dude you could sketch anything to make anything look like anything. is that your science 
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I'll grant this. As time progresses and people evolve in their civilization, rituals and beliefs will change. This will be partly due to science and partly due to numerous other reasons.
Islam will change big time. Barbaric practices such as polygamy will be abolished. Jihad will gone. There will be acceptance that islamic law is subservient to nations law, just like anyother religions's code.and yes I'll say it: The quran will be modified and certain verses dropped.
belief in God will actually be more.
In fact if you're talking 500 years, don't be surprised if a religion evolves based on computers satelites and artificial brains
Re: In the year 2507 - there will be no religions
I'll grant this. As time progresses and people evolve in their civilization, rituals and beliefs will change. This will be partly due to science and partly due to numerous other reasons.
Islam will change big time. Barbaric practices such as polygamy will be abolished. Jihad will gone. There will be acceptance that islamic law is subservient to nations law, just like anyother religions's code.and yes I'll say it: The quran will be modified and certain verses dropped.
belief in God will actually be more.
In fact if you're talking 500 years, don't be surprised if a religion evolves based on computers satelites and artificial brains
I hope these are predictions for discussion and not your own views or beliefs. If not, I pray Allah SWT save you from his wrath for saying that he will renege on his promise to protect his message from falsification. Please do not present yourself as a muslim to others because we are not what you are. To you your beliefs and to us ours. JAK. I am not trying to declare you non-muslim but simply implying that your fundamental beliefs are so far out that they do not fit the definition of a muslim. Just say that you believe in God but you are not a muslim because you do not follow the Quran or Sunnah. Given your thoughts I doubt you would feel deprived of anything if not called a muslim.