Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Exactly, i have made this point in my first post that ‘heroes’ could hardly make any difference to the lives of individuals.
now look at Ghandi (great ghandi as per media), and then look at India.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
The question is however one that is bugging me …
there is a truth in it … I think the question should go - Since Islam is a great religion, what is wrong with Muslims who seem to be unable to use that light to rise to being regulars at the top of universal great people lists … ???
1a) We can assume we are doing nothing wrong … our circumstances are dictated to us by the powers and they are the cause of us not being recognised.
1b) We can assume we are doing nothing wrong … since being famous is immaterial to God.
What’s bugging me is that - I do feel that tawfiq comes from sincerity - and although we may not choose to be famous we might acquire fame from becoming exceptional human beings … Fame can to a certain extent be controlled by super powers - but goodness can breed fame too.
May be the time we are living in - it is ordained to be this way … I know personally many great Muslims who should be famous - but they are not as famous as I would like … may be this is the protection of Allah (SWT) over them - fame is indeed not our motive in life and for sure to be purified from the glory and glamour and fine tuning of incentives - it is a greater blessing not be famous for those people.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
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Sorry friends, I went through all comments, but as I using the app, it’s not convenient to reply to many.
Only thing I observed that mainly two names emerged in this thread from our history of 1500 years. Prophet Mohammed abd then Edhi. That itself is pretty sad.
And that is so cute of Jolie that she is trying to bring Imran Khan’s name in the list. Nice try lady 
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Not sure if I was trying anything but I’m actually amused because that certainly wasn’t the point. Anyway.
Fortunately or unfortunately, Imran’s name cannot be on the ‘list’ as he clearly isn’t done yet (Duh!). History is yet give its verdict on him and of course Western media isn’t going to deitify him (and why should they?) so he’d probably be just another disputed ‘is he a hero or something else’ figure in his own country like Jinnah, Ataturk…
On a different note, I believe Benezir Bhutto is hailed as hero in Western world, and certainly so amongst mainstream feminst group. Now that woman was darling of Western media from what I can, now do you see her as a ‘hero’?
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
This reminds me this popular video.
Meera’s Interview with Begum Nawazish Ali - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gpNQRueako)
Everyone got different concept of Heroes.
More of a reason for us to look beyond last fifty years to search for a hero. Many get their fifteen minutes of fame and forgotten after that without leaving any significant mark. Malala is one recent example of that, Benazir is another.
This reminds me this popular video.
Meera’s Interview with Begum Nawazish Ali - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gpNQRueako)
Everyone got different concept of Heroes.
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I would love to watch that video. Inshallah tonight from home
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Precisely.
It’s going to sound like a boring old cliche but someone’s freedom fighter is definitely someone’s terrorist. Speaking of terrorist, Mandela was declared a terrorist for a very long time in his life.
I feel, the question of this thread is not why Muslims have failed ‘produced’ heroes, the thread is basically asking how come no Muslim has been hailed as a hero Western popular culture. What can poor Pakistanis or Muslims do if Lil Wayne doesn’t want to rap about Edhi?
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Fatimah Jinnah?
The unsung hero of partition and Pakistan.
No Jolie, I am not looking for a recognition from west. I am looking for one of our name in history books; a name of a person that positively impacted the world; maybe someone whose biography was written by an outsider.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Are you insinuating that the religion needs to “create” great people and that Christianity is so great that it “created” Mother Theresa?
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
bus itni si baat. Stanley Wolpert ko google karen :hehe:
Stanley Wolpert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaPublications Non-fiction
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
So you are looking for recognition from the west.
^ Everything outside Pakistan is west? May I recommend a crash course of geography 101?
Sorry joking 
Muzna, where did I say what you implied?
Muqaw, I will go through that list tonight
Phone app sucks
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Nope, I never said that.
But don’t tell me that the history books or other books you are referring to aren’t western books.
@ Le Pak
When it comes to compiling of history, most of the recent work has been done in the west, I agree - which is kind of unfortunate if you think of it. I can’t think of any country, but India and maybe Australia, other than west, whose history books one can rely on
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
The issue is that we we are about 1000 years into our decline. 1000 years in the future hardly anyone will recall Nelson Mandela, Mother Theresa, Gandhi or Martin Luther King. All of our greats lived a millennium ago, and we have been in a state of decay ever since the Mongol invasion of Iraq ripped the intellectual heart out of the Muslim world.
Salahuddin perhaps is the biggest challenge to your original post about failing to produce another historically respected figure.
Interestingly, all the names that you mentioned are from the very recent past, the last 50 years. It just goes to show that no one remembers the great people of more than 1 generation ago…
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Australia is part of the western world.
True that most of the recent history is compiled by the west, but despite from the historical facts it’s never entirely objective.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Woah woah woah! Hold on. The premise of your question is flawed. You don’t really know ANY muslim heroes? Or is this just a flamebait? Do you have access to wikipedia or google where you live? All this gibberish about Muslims not contributing productively is a myth propagated by the christian missionaries through their schools and hospitals.
Frankly speaking, it is Islam that bestows honors on muslims; not the other way round. People who think they are defenders of islam or they are protectors of islam etc are missing the very gist of islam.