If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims

[Southie]

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@ Monk In Saudi Arabia, aren’t the Sheikhs and Royal family exploiting the masses? Using draconian laws for the common man while aishiaram for themselves? Where did Prince Alaweed get all this wealth? Certainly not from his investing skills.

[redvelvet]

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^Not all the wealth, but I think a sizable chunk comes from his many investments (Disney, Apple, etc etc)

@psyah

… Islam is demonised by the media …

And even if they are seen and given limelight like Edhi Sahib … No way will they be given the attention they deserve .

I made the same point earlier and twice. Those in power may not want Islam to be recognized globally in a positive light. And even if there is mention of any good about Muslims or even of their plight from time to time, it’s drowned by frequent negativity. So, TLK, why make this acceptance or validation as a condition for “greatness” of character/contributions/religion. Don’t seek it out. I think the negative opinion of the average non-Muslim regarding Islam has a greater chance of being influenced in a positive way by means of positive interactions from us average Muslims…compared to the stance of those in a position of power.

[Southie]

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Prince Allaweed with his incmvestment skills is guaranteed to make a millionaire. Out of a billionaire.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@TLK

I dont think that my title needs any further clarification. Pretty much other than the prophet himself, we failed to produce a single figure who is well respected or well renowned across the globe and throughout the history. Why is that we dont have a single Nelson Mandela, or Mother Theresa, or Gandhi, or Martin Luther King in our history? What happened? Where did we go wrong?

Well, I think answer is simple. When central tenants of belief are based on fighting and killings (jihads of all kinds) it is not hard to see why Islam hasn’t been able to produce people like MLK or MT or Gandhi.

[Jolie]

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@TLK

Non controversial globally acclaimed leaders; that is what I am asking for Muqawwee.

Mandela wasn’t controversial?

King wasn’t controversial?

Even Jinnah was not what our history painted him to be

What do you mean?

On topic: I would say Imran Khan is genuinely very respected and renowned on international level, but of course we all know the kind of words his fellow countrymen to use to describe him and how they leave no opportunity to vilify him. Yes that is the problem, Muslims have never given themselves a break from infighting and mudslinging, all those things that have been discouraged in Islam.

I might make a new thread and ask the question that how how come there are so many Muslim nations yet no established political, economic, military and cultural Union like EU?

[kakaballi]

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I suppose the title should be changed to “If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims after 1800 AD”.

but then… History is written by the victors and we know little about people like Tunku Abdul Rahman. This is also sad because countries like Pakistan can learn a lot from his legacy.

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Well, I think answer is simple. When central tenants of belief are based on fighting and killings (jihads of all kinds) it is not hard to see why Islam hasn’t been able to produce people like MLK or MT or Gandhi.

Are you sure?

What is the basis of this statement? Some thorough research of basic sources of Islam or a random book by a bigot molvi or actions of certain extremist groups?

[muqawwee123]

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@kakaballi

I suppose the title should be changed to “If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims after 1800 AD”.

but then… History is written by the victors and we know little about people like Tunku Abdul Rahman.

That is the point. MT is well known , Edhi is not. How many of you can appreciate people like Dr Adeeb Rizvi?

[muqawwee123]

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@TLK

Non controversial globally acclaimed leaders; that is what I am asking for Muqawwee.

Globally acknowledged like those who get Nobels?

How come Gandhi is globally acknowledged but Mr Jinah is not? If there are instances of Gandhi being vocal for all religions than there is a version of history contrary to it. BTW Mr Jinah was not termed Hindu-Muslim Unity ambassador by Muslims.

[Jolie]

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I think it’s sad how heroes like Edhi need the Western stamp of approval to be classified as a definite, undisputed ‘hero’ by his own people. I put Edhi in the same league and in the same sentence as Mother Theresa, just because the former had no iconic pictures taken with Princess Diana and isn’t praised and facilitated through Church or religious organisation, does not make him any less of a humanitarian.

There is so much to world, history and humanity than what you read in NYTimes.

[Faris_Udeen]

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The OP cracked me up so much… I was roaring with laughter for a good 15 minutes or so. I’ll save my reply for the Historu forum someday I think.

[psyah]

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^ True in my opinion I have not heard of greater humanitarians than some Muslims … throughout history.

[ajazali]

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I believe this is another typical thread with typical arguments like, ‘we have heroes vs we do not have heroes’.

[NaMaan]

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Chinese is a very productive nation and pretty much all west bow down to their economy, yet I don’t see any ‘‘hero’’ in their lines either. I think we look for heroes when we don’t have any role model around us. Dilemma with Muslim world is that we tend to follow a leader either he is right or wrong. Islam talks about character building for each individual. Everyone of us should be able to lead a prayer and give a khutba. But no we don’t wanna learn to do it, rather its easier for us to pay molvi sahab and let him take care of it.

Glorifying a single person does’t make a nation nobel. Its the character building of each individual that pays off.

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

That is the point. MT is well known , Edhi is not. How many of you can appreciate people like Dr Adeeb Rizvi?

I can bet not many out of Sindh know Adeeb Rizvi (SIUT).

[Ali_Syed]

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@NaMaan

Glorifying a single person does’t make a nation nobel. Its the character building of each individual that pays off.

This.

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

I can bet not many out of Sindh know Adeeb Rizvi (SIUT).

For me, he is in the same league as MT. He is working for decades and have quite accomplishments on his record. But you are right most of people don’t know about him outside Sindh.

In our part of the world, history is not properly celebrated and due to this people don’t know much about local heroes. I bet none of posters here have heard name of Sufi Shah Inayat, who fought against Mughals over farmer’s right to cultivation. Those farmers included people from all religions.

When a part of society was invoking Muslim rulers of India to massacre non-Muslims, who came to create soft corner and a society with tolerant values? Go figure Muslim sufi saints. Visit their mazars to see equal reverence by all religions.

[Ethan_Hunt]

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If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims

You think it’s not?

[STONECOLD]

I think Alamgir gets bad press unwarranted. Can’t remember where I read that He wasn’t the mad muslim some claim him to be.

[Ghost14]

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@TLK

I dont think that my title needs any further clarification. Pretty much other than the prophet himself, we failed to produce a single figure who is well respected or well renowned across the globe and throughout the history. Why is that we dont have a single Nelson Mandela, or Mother Theresa, or Gandhi, or Martin Luther King in our history? What happened? Where did we go wrong?

Because you’re looking towards religion to produce a leader when economic, geographical, and social conditions have a far greater impact on whether the person is likely to be well-renowned. While all of those people were religious to some extent, their causes were secular and they did not wear religion on their sleeves.