^ Itni lambee taqreer and not even a single name
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Yep. No names. Left it for you to find them.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
history is full of non-muslim heroes, why are hunger, poverty, anxiety and depression and wories still prevailing?
…mainly in the Muslim world. And the answer is also in your post (non bold part)
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You never answered my question
Do you consider Muslims to be a homengous entity? When you use ‘‘we’’, do you own all the good and bad of all that muslims have done?
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Many people have already provided you with enough names, but those somehow aren’t good enough for you.
What names do you exactly want to hear?
I don’t own anything, I just belong to that group, and trying to make an observation as an insider.
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but that proves your argument wrong that heroes from West are the heroes for everyone. they are not heroes of muslim world, at least.
you know how? lets assume that muslims are ignorant, poor, so and so. but what these heroes are doing for miserable muslim world?
you need to do a realistic research as to know where actually the anxiety and depression prevails.
Your logic is wrong. First of all, no one person can change the whole world. Second, every nation is responsible for its own health. You cannot blame our misery on others. Knowledge that can flourish a nation is available to every nation. What we do with that knowledge is our responsibility. Internet is there for all. Japanese use it to do research, Pakistani use it to search for porn. Iss main kis ka qusoor hai bhai?
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yes we should try the option of using internet for right purpose.
but do you mean children in thar died becsuse of our wrong use of internet?
we dont have notion of moral and honesty at individual level. tell me honestly, how many are following Islam in pakistan? if we were following Islam actually we would come up with sincere leaders.
the fact is we have not given a chance to Islam but we do inquire about what Islam have given us.
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No. Children of Thar dies because of the be-hisi of our kameenay leaders. How insensitive that when you are at thar to meet the food deprived people, you comeback to your guest house and have Malaai Chicken.
yehi tou main bhee keh rahaa houn, hence the title of my thread.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
islam produced TLK…case closed.
Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
My problem is with the question.
Why drag Islam as a religion for something so superficial as having someone “popular” by current standard?
Do we think people need to be good for the sake of being good or should they be good for and struggle to be on ‘popular’ list?
Thanks Muqa bhai for bringing Adeeb RIzvi.
An honorable man indeed. Words cannot describe what a great man he is. 
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What else would have been my demarcation if I wanted to talk about muslims?
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As I explained in continuation, it is not that we bring doubt in Islam for seemingly lack of popular Muslim figures.
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I was not doubting islam. Its like you ask me that TLK if your dad was such a brainiac then why are you so dumb? Now are you questioning my dad or me?
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I don’t question anyone based on their parents.
Let me give example of a car and the driver.
Not sure if it will be perfect example bu let me try.
A car no matter how great is by possible engineering design,… it is still the driver who is to be blamed…if accident happens because the driver didn’t even read the manual.
We don’t say:
If car was so great how come the driver got an accident?
Its a very specific example I know, but the point here is that Islam is a neutral sets of great beliefs when it comes to the people following it.
Edited, for pulling hair reaction. Maybe some other time.
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Re: If Islam is such a great religion, why did we fail to produce great muslims
Islam does not expect people to be good for being famous and maybe a lot of very nice and humble and humanitarian Muslims are not interested to be known.
OK OK, I’ll edit few lines in earlier post so it becomes more focused. 