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I'm a guy. so, I'm definitely not a hijabi. and I'm not pro-hijab either. there it is in black and white - for those who are sarcasm-challenged.
You can see ample proof on this forum alone. Nearly every hijabi looks down on those of us who are not hijabi.
We non-hijabis are either:
- going to hell
- to be felt sorry for because we don't have the brains to wear a hijab and we incur so much gunnah by not wearing it
- probably more likely to be raped or harassed or looked down upon because we don't wear it.
No names, but one of the ladies on this forum literally rejected a rishtaa, because the ladies in the guy's family wore CHADDARS instead of abayas or burqas or whatever is the norm in that area of Pakistan, and she felt they were being too indecent.
This is the result of your hijabi judgementalism. It's no better than those of us who think hijabi women are oppressed.
I don't think hijabis are oppressed. But when a guy says that he will put his wife in a hijab to stop people from staring (at what? her hair? a hijab doesn't cover anything that really jiggles.), then that is sheer oppression. Why not marry a woman who already does hijab then? Our men are numero uno at objecting people to their whims and desires, even if its a direct result of their own insecurity.
Many have made it clear here that just because you are hijabi doesn't mean you are better then a nonhijabi. I know atleast one of thise statement were made by a hijabi. WHy do you choose to ignore those statements?
U know what really makes me cringe, when nonhijabis (like you), like to act like they are most nonjudgemental creatures on earth. Does not wearing a hijab siddenly make you the most humble and non judgemental person ever> is that the point your trying to make?
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Didn't we have such discussion a gazillion time?
Many in religious section.
Samb and people like samb just argue for argument sake and those who are defending just being dragged in to a fruitless argument.
The word oppression is used to make a powerful negative impact despite the woman herself may deny being oppressed by any means.
This is one of the way people try to make others start doubting on their actions and some do fall for this trap.
In essence:
1- What we call a burqa or a full clothes attire is not such an unusual thing. It is not just related to muslims.
Can muslim say Nuns are also oppressed?
Nuns are oppressed not to be allowed to have sex?
Christian religious leaders are oppressed not to be allowed to marry or have sex?
strict Jews women also wear similar attire like counterpart Christians and like Muslims.
So in the end, with same analogy all followers of christianty, judaism and muslims (even many hindu women who cover their bodies, face or head) are oppressed!
The problem with Samb like people is they have absolutely no clue what they talk about and the basis, but full of rhetoric and debates.
Burqa is not necessary, *face covering is not needed and not found in islam anywhere. *
Loose clothing with simple scarf like cover is absolutely fine.
Please search other threads also.
As I've said earlier, I've seen a variety of hijabis and non-hijabis, lol.
There was the hijabi woman that I worked with several years ago. She knew that I didn't do hijab and we got along well. Met her a couple of years later. We were sitting across from each other.....eating lunch.......talking. One of her hijabi friends was also with us. Things were going fine. And then SUDDENLY........my hijabi friend and HER hijabi friend start talking about.......hijab. And they say, "Non-hijabis will go to hell." It was as if I didn't exist to them......as if they were oblivious to the fact that I was even at the table having lunch with them. Only a few minutes ago, we were all talking to each other........................and BOOM such a comment. Feeling awkward..........I get up and leave without saying a word.
A couple of days later, I approach these two women to clarify/explain the reason behind my abrupt departure from the table. And one of them says to me, "Oh we figured that our comments/conversation was probably the reason you left the table." Anyhow....I let the matter go and we went back to speaking terms. But now that I look back over the incident..............I think it's odd that they didn't take the FIRST STEP to come talk to me if the already KNEW why I had left the table. Instead..............it was ME.......who took the first step and confronted them although I was the hurt party.
Hijab is not the be-all end all of salvation. Other things such as character are EVEN MORE important. There's the hadith where the Prophet SAWS said that a woman who practices Islam's rules and obligations will go to hell for not treating people with respect. And a woman who may not be so punctual or regular with the practices but treats people with kindness and respect will go to Jannah.
We get so caught up in judging one another. I gave above the example of hijabi women who behaved without tact. I've seen hijabi women who assume that those who don't do hijab are "not religious enough OR devoid of religion"...........how silly of them to "measure" one's iman or faith or level of religiousness based on a piece of cloth. There are also maulvis in Pakistan who sport long beards and MOLEST the children. Allah looks at our deeds and our HEARTS. Appearances can BELIE.
One of my closest friends is a hijabi......and I know other hijabans that are very nice, MashaAllah. People don't base their assumptions on "research"..........they base them on experiences. Only, we forget that we haven't had experience with EVERY SINGLE member of a group. You can't say that all hijabis are judgmental because you haven't met EVERY SINGLE hijabi in the world.
Let's face it (hijabis and non-hijabis....beard sporters......and the clean-shaven)...................we're ALL hypocritical to some extent or the other............we all struggle with following every rule.................we ALL make contradictions and mistakes/sins. Do your best........look at your own mistakes before pointing fingers at various groups..........and leave the judgment to Allah because it's a very complicated thing.
Can muslim say Nuns are also oppressed?
Nuns are oppressed not to be allowed to have sex?
Christian religious leaders are oppressed not to be allowed to marry or have sex?
strict Jews women also wear similar attire like counterpart Christians and like Muslims.
Several years ago, I taught geography at a public school......and I was responsible for covering Asia for this particular grade. Well, we got to the Muslim countries.......and one of my students asked "Why do the women cover their hair?" Seems like an easy question.....but one that you have to approach carefully (be careful with your words) because you're supposed to avoid religious type discussions in public schools and I had some touchy parents among that group. Anyhow..........I had said, "What's the big deal about covering your hair? You're wearing a baseball cap right now. Nuns cover their hair. Hindu women cover their hair in their temples. You can't tell the difference between an Arab Jewish or Muslim woman because both may have their hair covered."
^And when I worded it like that.........it's like they understood......that it's not such a big deal......that you're not necessarily a dangerous person if you've got your head covered. You could see their reflecting facial expressions as if wondering why concentrate on one particular group when the act itself is not all that uncommon.
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Similary, here's how nonhijabis can be judgemental:
One time I was at the mall, and this lady told me that wearing hijab is not the way of Islam, and I had gotten it all wrong, what a shame I was to all Muslims....
Another said, aww what a pretty face that you, have, if only you could take that thng off...."
And in our community, there was this one auntie, who had a group made exlusively for non hijabis, because "hijabis are not fun,theyre boring".
ANd my all time favorite, which I hear way to often, in front of my face: "hijabis are so judgmental"
Judgemental much! It goes both ways.
Groups are not judgemental. Indviduals are.
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^ Yes to both RV and GJ.
**Forcing women or men not to wear the attire they want to wear what they consider religious duty is oppression!
**There were many threads on it before.This one has pictures of other religion followers.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/318948-split-obligation-proper-dressing-islam.html
LOL.
We judge every day. It's part of human nature. Forget people.........we judge inanimate objects and subjects on a daily basis. This brand of car is better than that. This brand of clothes is more superior to that. This food product is more healthier than that. This way of doing things looks cheap. This way of doing things looks classy. This material is inferior. This material is durable. That actress/actor is more prettier than that. That person is much more talented or smarter than I am. This school is better than that one. My kids are messed up because he/she hangs out with a messed up crowd. That home or neighborhood is more safe/classy than that one.
We j*udge, judge, judge* EVERY SINGLE DAY. I know some WONDERFUL hijabis.......I'm friends with several of them. I've also seen hijabis who assume non-hijabans are like immoral or without a religion or something. I've encountered hijabans who.......if they see a few NON-hijabans from a particular cultural group......they assume that ALL members of that group are lax in religion.
ANYBODY (hijaban OR non-hijaban).............who says that they have NEVER judged another person or GROUP..............................is LYING.........................or being super generous/flexible about themselves.
We all judge............the key is to catch our mistakes. When you detect your mind going in the wrong direction.........you try to correct your way of thinking and try to HUMBLE yourself. J*udging becomes dangerous when our judgmental attitudes start showing in our WORDS and DEMEANOR............and ends up destroying relationships with others. And this hurts the spirit/root of society.*
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You edited. Now that is clever.
Now I feel nothing but awe for you and luv, for you, read I shall!
See, highlighting in bold colors helps the WORLD!
See, I cannot read this, misspelling.
You have now ruined my life, I can go wee now. My kidneys thank you.
See, I cannot read this, misspelling.
You have now ruined my life, I can go wee now. My kidneys thank you.
You had scared me for a sec....but then I looked it up. It's spelled correctly. But had I not highlighted what you assumed was mispelled.....it wouldn't have been brought to your attention enough to warrant a bathroom break n relief for your kidneys. Bold highlighting saves the worlds.....and kidneys.
Oh I thank you soooooooooo much, Milly. For if it weren't for you, I wouldn't have occurred to me how powerful such a simple act can be. And to think that I was contemplating a reduction in bold highlights. Oh the HORROR! I realize....that I must persist!
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i think this thread was opened just to start baseless arguments..
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Now you're aiming for overkill luv, iv already made you blush once this evening...shoo!