for sure... better being a kaafir than a Muslim like you. given the aqwaal-e-zarreen that you share on this forum all the time... that's for sure...
btw, try not to look down on other religions quite so much. you don't have a one way ticket to heaven.
problem with non believer is they cant look beyond certain limits.
I respect all religions. I was refering to the reason ppl practice them.
Jimmy you shouldn't argue on these things. Out of the 6 thousand 6 hundred and 66 verses of the Quran, these kinda people only like to pick out and mock a handful such as a cutting off limbs! Don't wreck your head.
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For few people who can understand punjabi . But look at them , they are not muslim and they still say the same . Being covered is natural and more humane .
I don't wear hijab.......BUT......more power to those women who wear it properly and have respect for it.
There are women who wear hijab.........but the rest of their clothes may be more tight-fitting than their non-hijabi counterparts.
Once went to the fairgrounds to pray Eid Namaz.....and a woman comes wearing her hijab.......along with a spaghetti strap gown......with a very low back.....exposing her bra for all the world to see. Mind you, this woman came with a party of people that were dressed appropriately.
Another example: girl who wears hijab....abaya.....and the buttons to her abaya are open.........revealing her legs as she's walking........because underneath the abaya is a MINISKIRT.
Or in another case: wearing sleeveless.....but the hair is covered.
This girl wearing hijab once started preaching to me about hijab. I wasn't upset about the topic. Rather........what irked me was that she went about the matter in such an unsmooth way. Anyhow.......I stayed quiet......listened to her calmly.....whilst noticing that her eyebrows were plucked to non-existence. There's a hadith about women not allowed to pluck their brows. There's nothing wrong with guiding someone and doing dawa........but the problem with this particular girl is that her approach in "correcting/guiding" others can be bumpy and tactless.
Then you have the ones that will wear hijab.......lecture you about it's importance as protection from the opposite sex and the dire consequences of not wearing it.........but they're secretly sporting boyfriends.
Or those that wear hijab as they leave home............and off it goes when they're away from family.
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Before I get attacked...........I'm not invalidating hijab. As implied in the beginning of my post......more power to those that practice hijab with CONSISTENCY, UNDERSTANDING, and RESPECT. And I understand that most of us don't follow every single rule of Islam. We might follow some rules with ease........and are lax about others. Such is the case regardless of whether you do hijab or not. And I know that most of us have the tendency to slack off as well. But if you're going to do something..........then try your best to do it right.....and to have consistency. Otherwise..................YOU LOSE validity/credibility when preaching to others.
I've seen women who wear hijab with respect.........and treat non-hijabis with respect. If they are judgemental.............it's NOT reflected in their words or actions. Their demeanor is so positive that it motivates you to become a better person. And this is because...........these hijabis.......don't just focus on HIJAB as the be-all/end-all of salvation...........these women are more balanced and also know the importance of other qualities in Islam such as character. And their other positive qualities (respect toward all, confidence, consistency, humility, etc) might encourage a person to follow their example.
I've seen women who wear hijab incorrectly.........their other clothes contradict the purpose of hijab.........their actions contradict the purpose of hijab...............and they have THE NERVE to LOOK DOWN WITH DISDAIN at their non-hijabi counterparts who in many ways may actually be MORE CONSERVATIVE AND MODEST than them.
Not saying that non-hijabs are perfect because I've seen non-hijabis who don't give a rats butt about modesty.
All kinds of people. The bone of contention here is that both groups judge each other. Guide with gentleness..........do your best in following Islam..............and understand that ultimate judgment belongs to Allah.
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^agree Red Velvet! The responses in this thread are a kind of sad testament here. The pro-hijaabi's are every bit (or more) as judgemental as those opposed. Heres my take:
Hijaab can be a lovely thing and all the more power to those in this category.
Hijaab can be practiced in a manner that oppresses the woman in some cases.
Hijaab can be improperly used in some cases to make a statement rather than for its intended purpose of modesty.
non-hijaabis are not necessarily immodest, nor are they necessarily "bad Muslims".
I dont see how any of these points can be argued, I think we all at some point have met people belonging to each one of the above categories.
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It doesn't matter how many times a sister says she is not oppressed in fact she is liberated by the hijaab some will still see it as a sign of oppression.
I know women who wear the hijaab and they do so on their own accord-no man has forced them. They wish to keep their beauty for the eyes of their husbands only and frankly I applaud them.
I personally think a sister could do a sky dive in a nijaab and still get stick for been 'oppressed' when in actual fact we are all oppressed by law and order that is in place to control us.
Why can't we park on double yellow lines? Not because we don't want to but because someone else sitting in an office of the Highways agency making decisions-point is it's not our decision but someone elses.
It maybe compulsary to wear the hijaab in countries practicing Shariah Law-in that case each to their own, unless someones safety or dignity is put at stake I ain't too fussed.
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I know a hijabi who smoked and drank wine (but oh always kept herself covered!!!), in a way to prove that she's not "oppressed".
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...and I knew a mom who wore modest, loose-fitting western clothing and a lovely headscarf each day. She set an amazing example in our community of mostly christians and jews, taught many, many people about Islaam, made Eid a wonderful celebration for the classrooms she visited and had most of our school kids wishing each other "Eid Mubarak". To me, she represents the perfect modern-day Muslim.
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As long as people don't start making up stuff regarding Quran I don't care if they wear it or not. When I started wearing scarf I didn't look at those who wore a piece of cloth on their head and did all sort of unislamic things. Obviously when you want to lose your weight you don't compare yourself to people who are fatter than you.
and as usual, the thread descends into cliches meant to placate everyone...
we've become so politically correct... ppl are afraid to speak their minds and feel it necessary to hedge their comments... argh...
...and I knew a mom who wore modest, loose-fitting western clothing and a lovely headscarf each day. She set an amazing example in our community of mostly christians and jews, taught many, many people about Islaam, made Eid a wonderful celebration for the classrooms she visited and had most of our school kids wishing each other "Eid Mubarak". To me, she represents the perfect modern-day Muslim.
This reminds of this woman who was actually hispanic who had converted. She passed away recently though. :(
aww... that is so sad... but only if she wore hijab.. otherwise she's going to burn in hell...
btw, did you mean revert instead of convert? there is a huge difference. please be careful in the future.
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^You don't really have anything to say. You're just being sarcastic and rude for no reason.
***It surprises me to no end , that it isn't the non-muslims that are making these claims but the Muslims nowadays!!!!!!!
I've seen recent posts on this forum that proclaim wearing a hijaab is a sign of being oppressed and those who propose it or wear it are orthodox and it makes me wonder how conveniently people twist Faith to suit their needs!
Hijaab is a Sign of Liberation from cultural and societal norms but not everyone has the courage to wear it !
Says the person who rejects people because they do not wear hijab? Do you remember the story you told us in chat one day not too long ago, about rishtaa potentials who came in wearing a chaddar instead of an abaya or whatever it is that you prefer people wear in Peshawar?
*aww... that is so sad... but only if she wore hijab.. otherwise she's going to burn in hell... *
btw, did you mean revert instead of convert? there is a huge difference. please be careful in the future.
Seriously, it amazes me how people who do wear hijab are probably more judgemental than anyone else.
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^Can you provide research that supports your statement that hijabis are more jugdemental? What makes you come to this conclusion?
By making such a statement, the only person that sounds judgemental is you. Judgmental againt hijabis, by looping them into one category...you don't sound much different then those hijabis who are actually judgmental to those that are nonhijabis.
Says the person who rejects people because they do not wear hijab? Do you remember the story you told us in chat one day not too long ago, about rishtaa potentials who came in wearing a chaddar instead of an abaya or whatever it is that you prefer people wear in Peshawar?
Maybe if U actually listened to the story instead of jumping to your own conclusions as always , the discussion was about the difference in ways of dressing and how they are perceived by the society you live in.
Denying that Hijaab is not what Allah Commanded is not going to make that fact disappear !***
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You can see ample proof on this forum alone. Nearly every hijabi looks down on those of us who are not hijabi.
We non-hijabis are either:
No names, but one of the ladies on this forum literally rejected a rishtaa, because the ladies in the guy's family wore CHADDARS instead of abayas or burqas or whatever is the norm in that area of Pakistan, and she felt they were being too indecent.
This is the result of your hijabi judgementalism. It's no better than those of us who think hijabi women are oppressed.
I don't think hijabis are oppressed. But when a guy says that he will put his wife in a hijab to stop people from staring (at what? her hair? a hijab doesn't cover anything that really jiggles.), then that is sheer oppression. Why not marry a woman who already does hijab then? Our men are numero uno at objecting people to their whims and desires, even if its a direct result of their own insecurity.
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