Freedom of speech & Western hypocrisy.

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I have views about the U.S based on my observations but I have no views on Islam. I am very liberal when it comes to religion. Therefore I am not what you imagine me to be. I am not reacting to anything. I am just making a point about hypocrisy of the U.S.

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Good example Arshad about calling blacks the N word and not be expecting any reaction from at least a few blacks.

Point to note here is that some people are saying that those who spread hatred against Islam are like the barking dogs.

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You and Arshad missed the point. We are the black people in this Mercs example. Should Blacks react to everyone who calls them the N word?

The people who are trying to insitgate a conflict with Muslims dont care whether they get a reaction or not, hence it should be the Muslims who ignore those dogs.. get it?

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Only idiots and retards would support or ignore deliberate and hateful acts using any excuse.

Don't care is what is wrong. A good human being will care.

Not supporting over-reaction by any means here.

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I think you missed the point. Out 2 billion people if only 0.01% react to such extreme provocation than that is still 200,000 people. Everyone knew that there would be a reaction, only the scale of the reaction was debatable.

The other point that you are missing is that the U.S could and should have convicted the people responsible and if necessary it should bring in new laws like in did in regards to the funerals of military personnel. If any other group had been offended e.g the jews then you could have expected a sure response from the government of the U.S.

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The media hypes up the reaction of few deliberately, to show somehow ALL muslims are bad and some mindless people buy it and fall in to this trap and think only the reaction being bad but not the action. :smack:

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Just to clarify here further:

People who have power to spread hatred and act on it = Bad people.

Small number of people who over-react = Bad people

Vast Majority people who react appropriately or feel bad about the hateful act = Good people

Any person who tries to justfiy hateful act = Bad person (worse than the person who spreads hatred)

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LOL Are you even a muslim? I doubt that you are...even if you are you must be a self hating one...or one that gets paid to post nonsense.

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That shows your utter lack of knowledge.

Not surprising coming from a person who accuses anyone who doesn't share his viewpoint as a non-muslim. Quite childish in my opinion.

In the US you can indeed ridcule Jews to your heart's content. You might get fired from your job but you won't go to jail.

And US has Freedom of Speech and thus they cannot persecute people.

I am sorry if US will not be implementing Blasphemy Laws. Don't how us people living in the west will survive without them.

US should definitely look at successful countries like Pakistan where there is communal harmony, religious tolerance, peace and prosperity, protector of human and minority rights as an inspiration to change its own laws. :D

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The West has been facing socio-political and economic crises in the recent past, as exemplified by the current financial meltdown.

Professor Noam Chomsky asserts that in the face of such domestic calamities, *

"You've got to divert the bewildered herd, because if they start noticing this, they may not like it, since they are the ones suffering from it. Just having them watch the Superbowl and the sitcoms may not be enough ...

Over the last ten years, every year or two, some major monster is constructed that we have to defend ourselves against. There used to be one that was always readily available".* [Noam Chomsky, Media Control, 2002, Seven Stories Press, p-43]

Re: Freedom of speech & Western hypocrisy.

I hope I didn't hit a raw nerve there:D. I never accused anyone that does not share my view as non-muslim. In your particular case I made a statement mentioning 3 things, out of which at least 1 will apply to you, which you have not denied.

How can you ridicule a Jew in the U.S when they control the country? And all these wars with U.S soldiers dieing in the middle east are to do with protecting Israel. No country poses any danger to the U.S.

Pakistan and many muslim countries are moving forward in terms of the things that you mentioned whereas the U.S is moving backwards. And as far as prosperity is concerned...U.S prosperity is built on oil. If the world decides to not sell the oil in $ then the U.S $ will be toilet paper. All the U.S's military and technological strength is built upon oil.

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This is the problem. You have categorized BOTH those who support and those who ignore such acts as Idiots. Such an attitude is the main problem IMO.

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The administration has come out strongly against this movie. It is only in the bubble you reside in that makes you come to conclusion people think the movie was not bad.

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Unfortunately beating up on Jews plays well here.

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before calling the whole of America or the West hypocrites, you should look at Asia itself - start with Pakistan. Are Pakistan ready to call Babur, Ghori and Gazni etc whose dynasty are credited with destroying Hindu temples and insulting Hindu Gods by making their objects of worship into construction material, or recently the Taleban that bombed the Bamian Bhuddha - as terrorist villains? No. Pakistan makes them heros and names anti India missiles by that name! Who is bigger hypocrite now?

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I am stating the truth. I am not beating anyone. We the muslims are the new jews. We are the new enemy. The U.S always needs an enemy and if it does not have one then it needs to invent one.

If you disagree then state what you disagree with and why.

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LOL you folks make me laugh at times. What Pakistan is or is not...lets leave that aside for one minute. Do you agree or disagree that U.S is full of hypocrisy and if not then the reasons why?

As far as Pakistan is concerned are you saying that we should call the invading armies and rulers of the past terrorist villains? And because we don't call them terrorists we are hypocrites? Don't make any sense to me......how about you elaborate on this point a bit further?

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I have lost count of number of Jewish references related to this event. Your views are mild.

I was watching Chris Hayes recorded program. Reza Aslam (?) Stated folks from mid east and Pakistan find it hard to comprehend that if there is anything on the Internet or press it can happen without government approval. They are so used to be in govt control.

In terms of perspective there was an article recently that 80% to 90% of African Americans in a certain age group. Have been stopped and frisked for no reason in New York city. Only 10% of these led to arrest. I would content the situation od Muslims is far far better. The blacks forever have been on the receiving end.

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I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you saying that the muslims are not discriminated against in the U.S or elsewhere in the world? Are the Jews treated worse than the blacks, muslims and the whites in the U.S?

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I was stating the Muslims are treated better than African Americans.