Lol don't make me laugh! I have nothing to say because I know I am wrong? I had already replied to the same question asked by someone else, and when you bought up the subject again I refered you to my earlier response.
So how did you conclude that I had nothing to say and I knew I was wrongwhen I directed you to my reply? I just hope that the majority of muslims have slightly better reasoning abilities otherwise we are doomed.
stop running around in circles. according to you all the minorities (read kafirs) in muslim states live peacefully but when i gave you an example you are acting dumb.
Okay, you dont like ahmadis , i get it. what about killings or shias by dozenes, and migration of hindus and christians from their homeland.
Oh wait, you have answered it somewhere to someone already.
No I didn't ignore the rest of your post. Ok **there might be some excesses in muslim countries against the minorities due to a dysfunctional state, ignorance and criminality, but they are not demonised and ridiculed and hated like you do in the west. When an incident happens there, the top leadership gets involved, the media and the civil society gives them support. Here instead of getting support from the mainstream you would only find support from the fringes of society. Muslim bashing appeals to the mainstream here. The educated and the middle classes are the ones that indulge the most in hate here.
I agree with some of your points because as I mentioned the state is dysfunctional and criminal elements take advantage of that.
Currently there is no persecution of the Ahmadis. In fact minorities like Ahmadis, Shias and Urdu speakers hold disproportionately the top positions in Pakistan. They are living the good life in Pakistan. A few may have been persecuted in the past but the majority just took advantage of the situation to claim asylum in the west, but are in fact economic migrants.
**For your information I have reprinted my earlier posts. I will keep my reply brief.
1) I am not denying that in some circumstances there may be excesses in muslim states and I also give my reasons for such excesses i.e dysfunctional state, ignorance and criminality.
2) There is currently no persecution of any minority in Pakistan. In fact some minorities are over-represented at the top beyond what their numbers would justify.
What I don't understand is how you can justify what may have happened in some incidents in Pakistan to how the muslims should be treated in the West where they are a minority.
BTW for your information I have nothing against Ahmadis. I respect them as I would anyone else, even if I might not agree with them.
^^ Well there may be some excess and some excess printing or film making and all. but whats the big deal. i mean what is the difference between making a video and executing people. silly me.
I give up man. you are right.
^^ Well there may be some excess and some excess printing or film making and all. but whats the big deal. i mean what is the difference between making a video and executing people. silly me.
I give up man. you are right.
You seem to be saying that executing people in Pakistan is equivalent to making offensive films and cartoons by the West. Therefore it follows that naturally you see nothing wrong with the way that the muslims are being treated by the West. I take exception to that view. Therefore according to your logic it would be ok for a muslim state to send drones to the U.S and kill the people responsible for making that movie, because the U.S does the same abroad. Afterall two wrongs, make a right.
First of all if someone executes someone in Pakistan then they have committed an offence. Secondly when that offence takes place against a minority then the President, The Prime Minister, The Supreme Court, The Media all take notice and try to ensure that justice is done. The Minorities get preferential treatment from the state, however the state is dysfunctional to a large extent.
You seem to be saying that executing people in Pakistan is equivalent to making offensive films and cartoons by the West. Therefore it follows that naturally you see nothing wrong with the way that the muslims are being treated by the West. I take exception to that view. Therefore according to your logic it would be ok for a muslim state to send drones to the U.S and kill the people responsible for making that movie, because the U.S does the same abroad. Afterall two wrongs, make a right.
First of all if someone executes someone in Pakistan then they have committed an offence. Secondly when that offence takes place against a minority then the President, The Prime Minister, The Supreme Court, The Media all take notice and try to ensure that justice is done. The Minorities get preferential treatment from the state, however the state is dysfunctional to a large extent.
i give up man. i cannot run around in circles like you. If facts cant convince you then nothing can. you are right in everything u say.
You seem to be contradicting yourself. One the one hand you write if I can't be convinced...and on the other you write that I am right. If I am right then I don't need to be convinced. So if I am right and you accept that I am right then you were wrong and have been convinced otherwise you would still be arguing your case. Ohhh well :)
The French are bigger hypocrites than the Americans, french publishers produced naked cartoons about prophet(saw) the government said it the freedom of speech. When muslim in France wanted to protest they had not freedom to protest french riot police prevent anyone going out to protest.
Hypocrites they don't even practice what they preach only they know how to spread democracy by the bomb!
The implicaiton being that people who don't think the way you do are non-human?
And free speech is quite the same as equal protection under the law.
Aray bhai you jumped to the wrong conclusion. You were making a distinction between Muslim stance vs American stance on the issue of free speech deserving equal protection for minorities AND majority. I was saying we are all human brings first. And as a human being I believe equal rights for ALL. Never did it even occur to me my lost would be misinterpreted to such an extreme extent.
The French are bigger hypocrites than the Americans, french publishers produced naked cartoons about prophet(saw) the government said it the freedom of speech. When muslim in France wanted to protest they had not freedom to protest french riot police prevent anyone going out to protest.
Hypocrites they don't even practice what they preach only they know how to spread democracy by the bomb!
lol... Your so angry!
Everyone is a HYPOCRITE! If only they were all as reasonable as you!
Everyone is a HYPOCRITE! If only they were all as reasonable as you!
only muslims will understand the anger caused by these insults on our beloved prophet (saw) not surprised by your mocking comments at all you probably enjoyed the insults more than most.
only muslims will understand the anger caused by these insults on our beloved prophet (saw) not surprised by your mocking comments at all you probably enjoyed the insults more than most.
Only a jahil would tell other countries to change their laws or face the consequences. Not that you are one of course!
And the prophet (saw) doesnt need you to defend him, as someone like you would only make matters worse and make Muslims look barbaric. Not surprised though that you dont understand such basic logic.
only muslims will understand the anger caused by these insults on our beloved prophet (saw) not surprised by your mocking comments at all you probably enjoyed the insults more than most.
LOL Are you even a muslim? I doubt that you are...even if you are you must a self hating one...or one that gets paid to post nonsense.
So let me get this straight. If you were walking down a street, where every house had a dog tied up out front, and each one barked as you passed by, YOU would actually stop in front of each house, glare, and bark back?!?! Literally, start from the first, then the second and so on, and bark back at each dog down the line... Every time expecting that the next Dog will NOT bark at you, having seen you bark back at those that preceded it?
Honest question.
Mercenary for whatever his ideological leaning, makes a good point. Why bark at dogs? MOST people would call that madness...
Focus on the point. In your mind, a true Momin is one that foams at the mouth at every provocation? What little you think of Islam!
So let me get this straight. If you were walking down a street, where every house had a dog tied up out front, and each one barked as you passed by, YOU would actually stop in front of each house, glare, and bark back?!?! Literally, start from the first, then the second and so on, and bark back at each dog down the line... Every time expecting that the next Dog will NOT bark at you, having seen you bark back at those that preceded it?
Honest question.
Mercenary for whatever his ideological leaning, makes a good point. Why bark at dogs? MOST people would call that madness...
Focus on the point. In your mind, a true Momin is one that foams at the mouth at every provocation? What little you think of Islam!
Avoid giving pathetic analogy, to justify your stance. A better analogy would be walking past black people and calling them niggers. Some may ignore the comment however some will not and get very angry and start getting physical. Now what sane person would go out and try to provoke a community? Only an insane person and/or someone that has such hatred for the target community would do that. Also what sane nation would allow such a person to do it freely and cause friction within its own nation not to mention the broader world. Any sane nation would lock up these people that are trying to provoke hatred and violence for their own vested interests.
What sane nation would allow its image to be tarnished with prejudice, especially among a significant number of the worlds population. Among the people and nations that are responsible for its wealth. If tomorrow these other nations decide not to sell oil in $ then the U.S as a power is finished.
Avoid giving pathetic analogy, to justify your stance. A better analogy would be walking past black people and calling them niggers. Some may ignore the comment however some will not and get very angry and start getting physical. Now what sane person would go out and try to provoke a community? Only an insane person and/or someone that has such hatred for the target community would do that. Also what sane nation would allow such a person to do it freely and cause friction within its own nation not to mention the broader world. Any sane nation would lock up these people that are trying to provoke hatred and violence for their own vested interests.
What sane nation would allow its image to be tarnished with prejudice, especially among a significant number of the worlds population. Among the people and nations that are responsible for its wealth. If tomorrow these other nations decide not to sell oil in $ then the U.S as a power is finished.
Avoid saying stupid things and no one would need to use analogies...
No, your analogy is ridiculous and stupid. You obviously didnt think about your lame analogy before hand, because its completely inaccurate. If YOU were to walk by Black people and call them the N word, then YOU would be the Dog barking, not they. It would be upto them to ignore YOU. Get it! The wise would say that you ignore barking dogs. A fool would bark back, like the idiots in Pakistan and other places who take some stupid low budget garbge of YouTube and use it as an excuse to destroy public property. Its MORONIC!
STOP, BREATH, THINK! The Dog in the analogy are those that attavk Muslims, such as those that made this movie. The fool is the person who barks back at every dog. Are you saying Muslims should bark back at every dog that barks at them? Think before you speak.
Avoid saying stupid things and no one would need to use analogies...
No, your analogy is ridiculous and stupid. You obviously didnt think about your lame analogy before hand, because its completely inaccurate. If YOU were to walk by Black people and call them the N word, then YOU would be the Dog barking, not they. It would be upto them to ignore YOU. Get it! The wise would say that you ignore barking dogs. A fool would bark back, like the idiots in Pakistan and other places who take some stupid low budget garbge of YouTube and use it as an excuse to destroy public property. Its MORONIC!
STOP, BREATH, THINK! The Dog in the analogy are those that attavk Muslims, such as those that made this movie. The fool is the person who barks back at every dog. Are you saying Muslims should bark back at every dog that barks at them? Think before you speak.
How can you equate humans with dogs? Getting barked at and then in return barking....you seriously need to find a better analolgy. Are we all just dogs to you?
Now listen carefully to the following two words......1. Action 2. Re-Action.
The action takes place first and as a result of that action (as any sensible person will know) a reaction follows. According to your twisted logic the action is ok and the reaction is wrong. The provation is ok and the protest is wrong. It's ok for the Israelis to attack but not for the Palestinians to react. If there was no action i.e the film then there would be no reaction. No matter what you do out of 1 or 2 billion people (take your pick) some of them would protest.
Avoid giving pathetic analogy, to justify your stance. A better analogy would be walking past black people and calling them niggers. Some may ignore the comment however some will not and get very angry and start getting physical. Now what sane person would go out and try to provoke a community? Only an insane person and/or someone that has such hatred for the target community would do that. Also what sane nation would allow such a person to do it freely and cause friction within its own nation not to mention the broader world. Any sane nation would lock up these people that are trying to provoke hatred and violence for their own vested interests.
What sane nation would allow its image to be tarnished with prejudice, especially among a significant number of the worlds population. Among the people and nations that are responsible for its wealth. If tomorrow these other nations decide not to sell oil in $ then the U.S as a power is finished.
And just to add on to the post above, your equivalent in the US are the right wing tea baggers; Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity all have views about Christianity and other countries that you have about Islam and the US. Please stop reacting to trash like this. Just ignore it and move on, like the Prophet did.