Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
seems like you cannot understand such a basic concept that discrimination is wrong, whether its due to religious reasons or personal or political. if its wrong to discriminate on basis of race, same should be applicable for sexual orientation. you keep justifying discrimination because religion says so. sorry, but in secular countries, civil rights, and equality is actually more important. I m stunned that you cannot see how it makes no difference whether you refuse someone on basis of sexual orientation or their race. Once again, your double standards are crystal clear.
why cant a restaurant owner tell black customer to find another restaurant as he doesn’t feel comfortable with them because of their race? its his restaurant, its a private business, why should he be forced to serve black people? this used to happen, not too long ago. thanks to civil rights movement, such racial segregation and discrimination has stopped. now its time, such discrimination against homosexuals also stop.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
Religious books are open to interpretation. To expect unanimous agreement on issues is quite foolish. And yes, if a religious book teaches discrimination against gays, just skip that chapter.
The Iranian Rehan ?said it best. People confuse religion with faith. Faith is belief. The ultimate goal. Religion is means to the end. So if one chapter teaches u to discriminate, take a different path. Use ur analytical reasoning to make correct choices. Rather than follow like sheep.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
well said.
there are christians that think homosexuality is perfectly okay. so, no its not a unanimous decision to be against homosexuality. gaychurch.org
RV’s point makes no sense. there is really no unanimous agreement in religion, and even if there was, thats not even the point. this is a secular country so it doesn’t even matter what Christianity ‘unanimously’ decides.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
No. but i think all humans are equal. a concept which might be foreign to you.
I know, I am very unreasonable because I think everyone should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of their race or sexual orientation.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
Okay if they are all equal and we all should live and let live, then leave the baker be to run his CHRISTIAN bakery according to CHRISTIAN teachings and principals. If you have a bias toward that, then you and Southie and the gay customer have a myriad of other bakeries to choose from that do not operate according to religion. If you want to mold EVERYONE according to your own views, than I’m sorry but you do not believe in freedom or equality.
See, if you say that I’m not open-minded…okay fine, I’ll agree to that. My opinions are shaped or restricted by my faith. But you both like to believe you’re open-minded, only you’re not. You are imposing your beliefs on the baker. The bakery is but one example, you are likely to break out into hives over other faith-based businesses too.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
Fine, they should find another bakery. Next time a muslim, jew, black, or hindu is kicked out of a bakery or restaurant because of their race/religion, tell them to find another bakery and restaurant and not to press legal charges. Please learn a thing or two about civil rights and equality movement in America.
why did racial segregation in private business become illegal? why couldn’t black people start their own restaurant and let whites have their own ? why couldn’t white people have the freedom to choose who they allow in their cafes, restaurants, stores, bakeries? why are laws against discrimination? why not let everyone decide who they want to serve and who they want to kick out? oh wait, because one can only discriminate if they use a religious reasoning. Ridiculous.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
^We are supposed to respect others belief as long as they dont do mischievous act against our beleif. You conveniently ignored the point of thread which not about making a cake for some couple but making a cake for a couple with slogan/agenda written on it. As that agenda or slogan goes against baker’s belief so this is mischievous act.
You need to learn to have some ahteraam for the rights of religious people, Bella. Frankly speaking I would never pipe “Support Gay Marriage” on a cake because to me that feels like I’m playing a role in the promotion of something that Allah has forbidden. You may not believe in a God and Southie has his own beliefs about God. But my belief is that I would be questioned by Allah about this. My belief is that the money earned from it will be tainted. Since homosexuality is not a sin in your eyes, you will have a hard time understanding why it’s a bigger deal for a religious person. A few months back there was an article about a restaurant which had allowed its Muslim servers the option to not serve haram foods to customers and that they would be served by waiters who don’t have such religious restrictions. Even with this arrangement, there were customers who felt slighted. Never mind that the Muslim waiter gave a polite excuse and quickly arranged for another server to take the order, it still offended customers’ egos that the waiters should uphold different religious beliefs than them. Where is the line drawn? Just like the gay customer in this news story, the customers of the restaurant were not content with the fact that they have numerous other options available. They would rather that the Muslim servers feel uncomfortable. How is such an imposition fair? It’s not. That restaurant was not a religious based one, but there was still ahteraam showed for its Muslim employees. THIS bakery on the other hand DOES operate according to a religion; it was founded/established upon religious principles and to not let them operate according to that is infringing upon their freedom. Where is the line drawn? Did the baker treat the gay customer like a leper? No. Did he tell the gay customer he can’t practice his lifestyle? No. We live in a world where people have diametrically opposite beliefs. The ‘equality’ that you speak of is not such an easy or simple feat to manage. You will run the risk of infringing upon someone’s rights while enabling the rights of another. So, you look at the bigger picture. When there were so many other bakeries to choose from, it is wrong to impose upon a faith-based bakery that has established a conservative reputation for itself. What the gay customer did was egotistical mischief and while he may be lauded by some members of the gay community, I feel he deserves to be pooh-poohed by his own community for breaking the very “live and let live” motto that they believe in and actively champion.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
When you people know that both parties in such discussions have an attitude of ‘main na maanoo’, why are wasting your energies.. 2 nafl pdh lo, farz ka sawab mile ga.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
Nobody is trying to be funny, Muqaw. It’s actually sad to see the mischeif of the customer encouraged. I guess if there is something funny, it would be that we still haven’t developed immunity to the predictable patterns.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
any business can refuse to provide a particular service as they like. wrong would be if they make a commitment and do not provide.
treating people fair and equal means that you let the people decide how they want to live and how they want to operate and with who they want to do their businesses with.
to me bashing the bakery because they use their right to freedom by refusing a particular order comes under mistreatment and inequality.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
every religion discourages discrimination on basis of race,color, wealth. and it should be stopped.
whereas when you talk about homosexuality, it is clearly mentioned as prohibited and greatly disliked by the Lord. to an extent that God has inflicted people of back era with His wrath for involving in such an activity.
Discrimination is pretty much there by the Lord himself and putting discrimination against race and color and discrimination against homosexuals at the same level is quite insane to me.
