Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
no one is being forced to act against their belief. they are not being forced to become homosexual or even like homosexuality. if you’re a business owner and you’re refusing a customer because of his sexual orientation, you are discriminating.
i bet you would have a different tone if a business owner refuses to serve a muslim.
according to civil rights commission, something like this is considered discrimination.
Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action
Is it okay for someone to walk into a Synagogue (which is a public building nevermind private) with a bacon sandwich? If he was kicked out is that discrimination?
Where does it all stop? The truth is discrimination is subjective and in a court will be difficult to prove due to the concoctions of viewpoints which all could be potentially valid.
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If you made the baker bake the cake inside his place of worship, the analogy may fit. Else this is simply a tool for tools to discriminate.
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No, it’s not, Diwana. It’s called compassion, open-mindedness , fairness and best of all it represents being a good and humane person. Now Southie can’t give you a certificate for being a good human being. 
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If a Muslim goes to a bakery and tries to force the Non-Muslim owner (not that it would happen anyways) to demand a cake which says Kalima, then he/she will be wrong. Let alone suing the owner. 
But these hell bent anti-religious gays, nothing stops them from being crybabies. Being drama queens. (Pun intended)
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And harping on about whether if it was discrimination against Muslims you would think twice?
Self respect would ensure that Muslim went elsewhere. Why would he purchase goods/services from a business who acts against him.
Next you’ll want to force the Church/Mosque to marry same sex couples. Endless.
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To add to post 43.
And for other tools to cheerlead.
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Not every muslim (or hindu or whatever) would choose this route. Some may choose to fight the good fight. And decent citizens would back them up regardless of faith.
This is ur 2nd analogy with respect to place of worship. Synagogue followed by church and mosque. Not applicable. The bakery not a place of worship.
After 911 I am surprised a muslim living in the west won’t stand up for another minority.
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It is not my certificate u should worry about. It is ur bigotry that should concern u.
That reminds me. Bella has been called a bigot (not by you) for stating her opinion - which was no yet bigoted. Won’t hold my breath for someone to apply that label to you.
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It makes economic sense to boycott such businesses. BUT I will always want to reserve my right to refuse service. My perspective is business orientated.
If there was only one bakery in the country…then I would understand. This person knew this bakery was a Christian bakery and still wanted to order from there…
His instigation and his cunningly calculated approach to this has caused an uproar which in reality shouldn’t have been there.
And don’t give me the whole minority lecture…My personal beliefs are different to what you may believe.
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Newsflash, you were the first to bring up the meme Gods and with the hope that they’d pounce upon my posts and mock them for your entertainment. So, the jawab you got from me shouldn’t upset you as you started it.
Oh, I’m not doling out certificates; never did. Nor do I care that you won’t rush to rescue me as you would Bella were I to be called a bigot or anything else. It is you who has taken it upon yourself to give periodic assessments of members’ level of wisdom, fairness, humanity and now you’ve gone as far as to judge their level of goodness and religiosity. Keep up the open-mindedness, Southie Sahib. :k:
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Anyone can see it was treacherous and deliberately sinister act of gays to choose this bakery.
Yes. Even the name of this bakery is based on Bible.
Gay marriage is not legal in North Ireland.
Bakery refuses to make Sesame Street ‘Support Gay Marriage’ cake
It is simply absurd to think Muslims as ‘minorities’ are somehow similar to gays and lesbians or even compare them with homosexuals.
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Ireland hasn’t legalized gay marriage but they do have laws which protects its citizens from such discrimination. justifying such acts with religious beliefs can become a legal issue. next thing you know, a baker can refuse to serve a black couple because its his business and he can do what he wants.
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He and his team the bakers and the court would be hard pressed to find justification from the Bible for discrimination against Blacks. Homosexuality, however, is clearly defined; it’s not a matter of debate within Christianity yet you insist upon bringing race and skin color in each of your posts. I get that your anti-religion, but you seem to have this fear that those who follow a religion will have a problem with every single little thing including skin color, to race, to who knows…maybe even how often a person blinks.
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why it okay to discriminate based on your religious belief but one cannot discriminate based on personal belief and personal values? what if its against someone’s personal value to serve a black person? why cant personal belief also be upheld like religious ones?
sorry your argument makes no sense. if you are allowed to discriminate on basis of religion, same should go for one who is discriminating based on their own values too whether they are personal or political.
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Fine. I started the meme topic. Rest of ur post is utter nonsense.
If I see someone being unfair I will call it. Notn to do with “taking it upon myself”. I will say it again. All the religious rituals mean squat if you can’t treat fellow human beings fairly.
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Absolutely bereft of logic. It was an ANALOGY. That just as one shouldn’t discriminate based on race and religion, one should not discriminate based on sexual orientation. The message is not what u erroneously concluded it to be. That religious folks discriminate against blacks and other religions. The message is - it is equally important NOT to discriminate against orientation. Any religion that teaches discrimination is misguided in that respect. Whether it is Hinduism and caste or any religion wrt orientation.
Period. Full stop. End of story . The fat lady bellowed.
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My argument will never make sense to you because for you it all boils down to personal beliefs and values. Those who follow a religion are following what they believe are divine values, values from God for which there is an accountability, accountability to a higher authority. Yeh tum kabhi samajh nahi sakti. There is a difference in personal values and religious values.
You are all for personal values to exercised at the expense of someone’s religious beliefs. The courts won’t defend discrimination against Blacks for personal reasons. Even if one were to use religion, they’d be hard pressed to find religious justification for it within the Bible. You keep pitting variables of cases for which there is little to zero religious justification against those cases for which there is religious prohibition. If this baker had cited “personal feelings” as his reason for not serving the gay customer, that’s worse. If he is using the Bible and other religious texts in which it unanimously agreed upon that it’s prohibited, he’s got a case…and to not allow him to exercise his religious freedom is discrimination. It’s a Christian bakery, what on earth was the customer thinking? I am stunned that you cannot see how the customer is more at fault, it’s such a low thing to impose upon this one bakery when there are so many others available; talk about a huge ego that is exacting validation by force. You keep asking how would the Muslims feel. If anything the gay customer should respect the baker’s values given that his the freedom to his lifestyle is based upon the motto of live and let live and therefore he should have let the baker be and gone elsewhere.
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Yup and if I see unfairness and a contradiction to open-mindedness, I’ll call it and I did that with you. But I never went as far as judging how well you follow your religion’s teachings …and I can’t …as I don’t know enough about your religion to do so…and I certainly didn’t assess your level of goodness as a person. The meme shot was nothing; you’ve far worse nonsense to admit to. Your overall judgments of how good or bad or religious a person I am were the tip of iceberg.
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Your words speak for themselves. You have yet to show you can be fair to all regardless of race religion and orientation. You probably meet 1st two but fail miserably in the last. Sure. I will judge u on that. And u r free to judge me on judging u.
Being a good religious person" means Nothing if u can’t be fair to fellow human beings. That is my opinion. Just as ur opinion that discrimination against gays is ok cause some religious book said so.