Dunno if this thread has already been made, anyone read about this?
BBC News - Ashers Baking Company: ‘Gay cake’ row could end up in court
Faith vs freedom to be treated equal. Who wins?
Thoughts?
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as much as I fully support gay marriage, no one should be forced to bake a cake they dont want. I also don’t understand, why this couple wants the cake from this baker and give him business while hes so anti-gay. That being said, since you cannot turn someone way for belonging to a particular religion or race because that comes under discrimination, you cannot discriminate on basis of sexual orientation either. However if I were that gay couple, I would never want to give business to someone whos that intolerant of homosexuality.
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could he not make a gay cake?
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cake is gay anyway. let them eat bread.
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Did Sesame street use Bert and Ernie as a way to get kids used to seeing this sort of pairing? Never crossed my mind as a kid. 
And the term Christian-run is confusing. It’s understandable that the management of many businesses would consist of either all or majority Christian members. But that’s different from actually stating in your advertising that it’s a Christian bakery. It’s like the difference between public school and a Christian school or a Catholic school. If the religion was specified in the advertisement, then pfft why would you even go to that bakery in the first place?
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I wonder how people would feel if the baker refused to make your wedding cake because you’re a muslim or because you’re pakistani. to be fair, if discrimination isn’t allowed on basis of religion and race, i can see why its not allowed on basis of sexual orientation either.
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If they’ve advertised that they’re a Christian bakery and it’s visible in print to the customers, then that means they won’t promote beliefs that are clearly against Christian teachings. How the heck is being a Pakistani a violation of the tenets of the Christian faith? Unlike homosexuality, it’s not. It’s just a nationality among others.
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^what if someone is discriminating based on your race and religion? how would you feel then? what if the baker feels that Muslims were responsible for 9/11 and he doesn’t want them eating his cake. do you think his discrimination is justified then? either way discrimination is WRONG whether its done against someones race or sexual orientation.
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^What if I were to go into a bakery run by a gay management and ask them to bake me a cake stating “Gay Marriages are Wrong” or “Ban Gay Marriage”…and the management refuses my order as it flies against their beliefs, so is it okay if I take them to court for discriminating against my belief system?
To FORCE this ONE bakery to bake a cake against their religious beliefs and to impose a potential financial loss on them by suing them when there are SOOOO many other bakeries available that will gladly take your gay order…that is a ziyadati, no? It is a ziyadati.
There are so many conspiracy theories about who or which group is responsible for 9-11; it is a matter of debate. Homosexuality, however, is NOT a matter of debate within Christianity and the Bible; it’s explicitly prohibited. The variables of the Pakistani/Muslim customer that you are throwing around will/should actually make for a stronger discrimination case than the homosexuality one because unlike with the former, there is an explicit prohibition for the latter within religious texts.
If there is a Christian publishing company that has refused to publish literary works written by Christian authors because they fear they promote homosexuality and other acts explicitly prohibited by the Bible…is it unjust? I don’t think so.
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this story is from Ireland, not sure about their laws. In US, there are laws against discrimination based on race, religion and sexual orientation. As i mentioned before, if I were gay , I would never give business to a homophobic business owner. But at the same time, if this comes under discrimination, then they have every right to press charges against his company as they are discriminating. it’s no different from a business owner, employer, restaurant owner refusing service to a muslim or a black person.
strange how discrimination based on race and religion sparks so much anger, yet discrimination against sexual orientation is justified.
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if some one showed discrimination to me on based of religion. I would nicely show them what actually religion is.
How its practices. Then ask them if they want to become Muslims..
hmmmmm
Gay could try doing same too…
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If you’ve directed that toward me, let me make it clear that I am not angry. You, on the other hand, do seem rather miffed and defensive. You treat sexual orientation as a matter totally separate from religion. Religion encompasses the issue of sexual orientation. The customer was refunded the money and I think even directed to a bakery that would be more accepting of the order. It was a respectable response. The customer’s response, on the other hand, was an over reaction and a transgressing of the limits of decency.
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Actually, no i wasn’t referring to you being angry at all. I was talking about in general, I have seen people get angry when someone is discriminated on basis of religion or race. And I dont blame them.
what if someone refuses a Muslim because according to their religion, they dont want anything to do with someone whos going against the teaching of bible and committing a sin. they consider not being christian as a sin. would you think such discrimination is perfectly acceptable?
if someone can refuse service based on their religious values, then should be allowed to refuse for personal moral values as well. i understand a religious person is not comfortable with the idea of homosexuality, and maybe someone else is not comfortable with the idea of a black person ordering cake from his shop so then they should have the right to refuse service, refund the money and divert them to another baker who has no issues with black people. Or switch black with a muslim, chinese, pakistani, hindu, jew any other religion or race. does that sound like a respectable response?
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^Reread the above sentence. You’re posing the hypothetical situation of the baker refusing the customer on grounds of being a particular religion or orientation. How do you know that the baker in this article would ‘refuse’ ALL gay customers? Was the gay customer thrown out of the bakery? Was the gay customer barred from entering the bakery and placing an order?
The gay customer enters the building. Maybe he is obviously gay based on his clothes and his mannerisms, etc. He talks to the baker about the size of the cake, the various options in flavors, he even makes a payment…and all the while let’s say the baker can tell that he’s gay…everything went well until the customer asked the baker to pipe “Support Gay Marriage” on the cake. So, does the baker have something against ALL gay customers…or is it specifically the message on the cake he has issues with? I believe it’s the message. I don’t recall anywhere in the article that the baker had said that it was against his religious beliefs to accept gay customers into his store. He said that it was against his religious beliefs to write a message showing support for a belief that went against his teachings. What you are doing is stretching the baker’s disapproval of the message to it being an overall discrimination of all gay customers. The baker’s beliefs will obviously limit the type of messages and cake decorations he can do…but it doesn’t necessarily equate to an overall barring of a particular group of customers.
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This is more of general topic. Thread moved.
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What would happen if a Muslim baker refused to sell cake laced with brandy?
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Let’s all put forth what if’s.
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^ If you thought about it, I was trying to support your case.
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The number of what ifs in post 14 exceed Imelda Marcos shoe collection. Am sure the MEME gods are taking notes.
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Seriously though, if you support discrimination against one group, don’t whine about being discriminated against. What goes around, comes around.