Thats very helpful thankyou so much xx
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i guess its the individual choice as to what brand to use, but i love mac i feel its really good for me and hey a lot of celebs are using it and models and designer like manish arora are collaborating wid dem so it must be good for stages.
i guess at the end of the day, u cud be wearin the cheapest brand and look good, its in the techniqe of the make up artist.
She's a trained MUA who has done makeup for actors/models/etc. I think a client's opinion is far more valuable than what your 'industry' think.. because seems the latter's opinions are quite shallow and egoistic. It's natural that when your own competitor starts to do better than yourself, one tends to put them down :) They might look like drag queens where you are but here, they are made up quite stylishly. Who cares what the insiders in your industry are saying? I am gonna go with my own experiences and judge them by their work.. not by other stylists' opinions who think they are better than anyone else. And frankly my dear, noone is offering to pay you anything to use their products, we are happily buying them ourselves. Peace.
How are my opinions egotistical and shallow? Have you ever been to a MAC convention? And please, I find it rude that you pass judgment on me. I have friends who are former employee's of MAC and now that they've seen the "light," of the true freelance and agency makeup industry, they have solidified my opinion. I don't think I'm "better," than anyone else. But this is my career. I would find it fairly presumptuous for someone to tell a professional what to do. It takes 3-5 or more years of training for a makeup artist to start working in the real world. That's a long time to study. :)
And the reason artists affiliated with MAC do fashion work is because the company buys out the client. They aren't hired on talent, they're hired on price. A MAC artist is paid 22 dollars per hour (often), while a freelance makeup artist could get upwards of 200 dollars per hour or more. Who's pocketing that extra money? The company. They steal from the artists. So no, I don't find my opinion shallow at all. I support artists and I loathe any company that steals from any their clients (sending less experienced artists, and thus stealing from both the client and the artist). They degrade talented individuals.
As with anything, I would not patronize any business or person that has poor ethics and morals. That may be the difference between me and other people.
So, as I've stated my opinion before. No industry professional I know of chooses to use MAC above other products. They simply don't cut it in any aspect.
Instead of insulting me, perhaps my words should be taken into consideration. I don't benefit in any way from this thread-- all I'm doing is trying to inform people of what I know.
So don't attack the messenger :)
i guess its the individual choice as to what brand to use, but i love mac i feel its really good for me and hey a lot of celebs are using it and models and designer like manish arora are collaborating wid dem so it must be good for stages. i guess at the end of the day, u cud be wearin the cheapest brand and look good, its in the techniqe of the make up artist.
Sure, technique is one thing, but the brand matters. Titanium dioxide is found in most makeup brands, and the cheaper the makeup, the more is in it. That causes a flash back in photo's, which ruins them. For special functions you need makeup that is specifically created for photography use. Certain makeups (like drugstore makeup--loreal, or counter makeup- MAC), is meant for everyday use. That's the difference.
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The way you're bashing mac, your views do seem quite shallow if not worse. I think you're missing the whole point-when they can do AMAZING makeup and make you look good, who cares how much they get paid or how they are trained or whatever else you are trying to say here? None of this matter, THEIR WORK DOES. While looking for a good MUA, I would rather look at their work to choose them rather than what other makeup artists think of them or whether they get paid 22 an hour or 200 an hour. In the end, it's their work that speaks for itself and I think everyone knows how creative mac's work is. Why don't you post your own work to show how 'better' you are than these 'mua who look like drag queens', I can post pics by MAC and that should be enough.
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i wish i could look like those drag queens...seriously... they're hot..
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MAC ROCKS!
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hmm well its the way u apply the make up tht matters and the techniques u use to apply it, nearly every single make up artist i have come across has used some sort of mac products so im a bit baffeled, Mac make up artists in india who work with the top actors use mac and they have tradional make up. plus in the fashion industry they use theatre make up im sure,, for it to last longer and look gud in pictures but then, wouldnt tht be looking like a drag queen if u look gud in pictures but like a cake close up?
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this is a site where u can get advice from top indian make up artists, and better still find out what the actors use and judge for your self what brand is most used.
Enjoy 
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MAC is the best esp for eye shadows!
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i luv MAC eye shadows and NARS they are the best i have come across
i did put this in a thread a while back.
i know a make-up artist who does a lot of TV work as well as photoshoots and brides. yes it's true professionals do have a thing against MAC and counter make-up 'artists' in general. but even though she would never use MAC face products for camera or film the one place she does use them is for bridal make-up!
for anyone interested, she uses MAC studiofinish concealer applied straight from the pot for areas that need a lot of coverage and thinned down with MAC oil-control moisturiser for the rest of the face and then set with a lot of MAC select sheer pressed powder. MAC full coverage is also a popular foundation.. too heavy for everyday use.
for a lot of brides, they want to look amazing in the flesh as well as on camera, so that's something to consider too.
I still say its in the technique and yes the right make up is important , but i still love mac because i have tried and tested it.
Hey MatineeSiren thats ur personal opinion, as i said before it is up to the individual wat brand to use.
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i would defently consider taking MAC over there and i think its avialable over there aswell i saw it in Lahore (pace) when i was over there,
MS, I am a makeup artist too =) but I stand firm when I say if a girl is confident enuff she can and shud do her own makeup as she understands her skin and features better than anyone else. If u're not too sure, that's the time u shud get urself a good MUA. I use MAC for engagement makeup, bridal makeup, event makeup and everyday makeup and it always turns-out the way I want it.
I even tell the girls that Medora in Pakistan has some amazing colors that u'll never find at any Guerlain, Bobbi Brown or YSL, Lancome stall. Revlon made in Pakistan has shades that suit our skin-tones like NO other brand!
The way you're bashing mac, your views do seem quite shallow if not worse. I think you're missing the whole point-when they can do AMAZING makeup and make you look good, who cares how much they get paid or how they are trained or whatever else you are trying to say here? None of this matter, THEIR WORK DOES. While looking for a good MUA, I would rather look at their work to choose them rather than what other makeup artists think of them or whether they get paid 22 an hour or 200 an hour. In the end, it's their work that speaks for itself and I think everyone knows how creative mac's work is. Why don't you post your own work to show how 'better' you are than these 'mua who look like drag queens', I can post pics by MAC and that should be enough.
Please point out what I have said that is shallow.
No, you've missed the point. As I said, these companies buy out clients and send out artists who are not hired based on talent ability. The company chooses them, not the client. The company then pockets the money that the artist could be making. If you find it acceptable to steal over 160 dollars from an artist per hour, that's on you. But I support everyone in this industry trying to make a living with their work. You don't have to be a starving artist to be "good," at what you do.
Likewise, I would make my opinions known about any company that practices poor ethics. Just like how I refuse to shop at certain stores because of their practices, I refuse to shop at MAC. I can't see why you're getting all pissy because I have standards :)
I would like to point out that it's harder for an artist to achieve a natural (no-makeup look), than it is to do "creative."
Yet all MAC is creative.
See a trend?
As I haven't "bashed," any one artist, I fail to see how my work or anyone else's pertains at all to this. Besides, could you tell the difference in application? It takes a trained eye to do so. How long have you been a professional?
See, now it's getting personal. You can continue this discussion, or you can make peace and leave it.
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Was this topic really about how much one makes or who's company is stealing from who? I don't think so. If you don't choose to buy their products that's your choice but for you to claim that they are not even proper-trained or this or that, that sounds ridiculous. Most of their artists do amazing work, better than all the other professional MUA, and that's what matters. To put them down as 'drag queens' or something so degrading, THAT'S shallow. As long as it appeals to me, I don't care who thinks what. And puhhleaze, don't start with this how would you know, are you professional or whatever. If people went around with their 'naked eye' or a microscope to see how well others' makeup were applied, that would probably be the end of the world. All I said was that a MAC trained artist did my makeup and you started with your, MAC artists are so this and that.. you haven't seen her work, you don't have the slightest clue about what she's like and you go on making stupid comments just because she's affiliated with MAC. And now it's about how they deprive their employees- make up your mind, are you against their company, their product or just the artists in general? And by the way, since you haven't even see my MUA's work, I suggest you don't put her down.
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And that was my last comment to you because I love MAC, and others here seem to have no problem with it either. Peace.
for a lot of brides, they want to look amazing in the flesh as well as on camera, so that's something to consider too.
YES EXACTLY!!!! (photography appropriate makeup may not = appropriate bridal makeup in the eyes of every single bride)
i think thats the point that matinee is missing, you may be a highly trained professional, knowing a lot about photography/film appropriate makeup...and may not use certain brands on brides (thats your professional decision and thats fine)...
but it really depends on the bride, if she likes your work and the brands you use in the trial she will come back to you...if not, then she can choose MAC artist or whomever, its her choice...
on a different note, am just remembering something i read about MAC history, didn't MAC makeup originate becuase the two canadian founders/creaters of the makeup brand, wanted more intense vibrant makeup more suitable for photography? years ago they were dissatisfied with the makeup they were using in their careers (as photographers/stylists i think), and went on to create their own brand of makeup (eyeshadows etc) with better colour pay offs and more intensity, so it showed up better in photographs... so as far as i know MAC also originated for the purpose of photography/ film... but i am not saying MAC is the best brand for photography makeup, since then there may have been 100 other companies coming up with 100 times better products for the photography/fashion/film industry... but MAc also has that (suitable for photographs factor) in its roots.
the founders then sold the company to estee lauder, which ofcourse marketted it more to the general public as counter cosmetics... and this new parent company may be developing or may have already developed more MAC lines, more MAC products for this general use purpose only (and not the photography purpose, originally the focus of the actual founders)...
i think mac makeup specially eye shadows, are still much better than other brands designed for the average consumer, and still look pretty good in photographs for the average user for regular life events (parties , weddings, bridals)... For a fashion industry photoshoot that costs hundereds and millions of dollars to shoot with international supermodels, ofcourse, they may not use MAC...but i think theres a difference between a fashion industry photoshoot of that cost and impact, and a simple birthday party or wedding, or engagement of a regular desi/pakistani girl... she may look and feel perfectly fine in MAC for her purposes
Was this topic really about how much one makes or who's company is stealing from who? I don't think so. If you don't choose to buy their products that's your choice but for you to claim that they are not even proper-trained or this or that, that sounds ridiculous. Most of their artists do amazing work, better than all the other professional MUA, and that's what matters. To put them down as 'drag queens' or something so degrading, THAT'S shallow. As long as it appeals to me, I don't care who thinks what. And puhhleaze, don't start with this how would you know, are you professional or whatever. If people went around with their 'naked eye' or a microscope to see how well others' makeup were applied, that would probably be the end of the world. All I said was that a MAC trained artist did my makeup and you started with your, MAC artists are so this and that.. you haven't seen her work, you don't have the slightest clue about what she's like and you go on making stupid comments just because she's affiliated with MAC. And now it's about how they deprive their employees- make up your mind, are you against their company, their product or just the artists in general? And by the way, since you haven't even see my MUA's work, I suggest you don't put her down.
Yes, the topic did turn into this. I made my point about why I would not use MAC on a bride. Don't go ruffle your feathers over it. You don't need to defend a company that you're not associated with (or are you?)
I don't find drag queens to be "lesser," people. In fact, I have several friends who are. However, in this industry it does speak volumes about your talent and experience when arriving to a function like that or having your company associated with that kind of look. Again, you're viewing things from a different perspective than me. So, no. It wasn't shallow.
Yes, I'll say it again. I've been to a MAC "training," session. You want to see real training? Look at MUD or other schools. You're arguing with me because your bias for a company you know nothing about, and an industry you aren't a part of. I find it very presumptuous that you've become so defensive when it was never needed nor relevant. You can like the company all you want, but I will inform everyone I can about MAC. If you don't like it, then don't look.
I didn't individually attack your makeup artist. I made a statement about the company she was affiliated with. Please, pay attention.
I have made statements about many things pertaining to the makeup itself and the company. All are relevant (that is, unless you are the type of person who doesn't give a damn about ethics or morals).
I'm against the company, their products, and the way they treat their artists. As I said before (and again, read), I feel bad for their artists because they are being stolen from.