Bangladesh - Pakistan Relationship

[CEO1]

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@TS

^ Very bad thinking.

It’s also true.

Some think emotionally. I like to think logically.

[queer]

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@ehsan

You are right the Bengali’s did not join their brothers and never went back to Bharat matta after 25 years of separation Wonder why? Isnt it amazing that the nation which was so moved by the atrocities in East Pakistan that they decided to liberate them purely out of human concerns and their love for mankind, shame they don’t apply the same when it comes to Kashmir and quite happily sent over 80,000 6 ft under. Talk about being delusional.

who said anything about liberating or out of pure concern, or joining with bharat mata? why are you bringing all this up?

pakistanis like shak think mukti bahini were some terrorists who killed a lot of punjabis and bangalis are backstabbers. when this isn’t anything near what happened. and the biggest losers from not acknowledging what happened in 1970-71 is the state of pakistan which is on the verge of repeating the same exact thing - and being unable to delegate federality.

as for kashmir atrocities by indian army - despicable but pakistan doesn’t even fool kashmiris when it starts on this with no leg to stand on.

[TS]

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It's also true.

Some think emotionally. I like to think logically.

You missed my update saying that if you haven't noticed, it is Balochistan that has been under water for the last 2 consecutive summers.

[Shak]

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@queer

and the biggest losers from not acknowledging what happened in 1970-71 is the state of pakistan which is on the verge of repeating the same exact thing - and being unable to delegate federality.

Acknowledgement? Lets see…wait for…it…four times.

Reading properly saves time.

@Shak09

What Musharraf did was enough.

And no Captain, you can’t just brush off Mukthi Bhani’s terrorism like that.** Sure W.Pak was wrong, no question**, but just like Taliban have no right to murder innocents in reaction, it also did not give Multi Bhani the license to maul innocents. Apology from BD as well please.

@Shak09

Absolutely, lets add a memorial of a country that colluded with India and stabbed us in the back.

What W.Pakistan did was disgraceful but I am sorry memorial thing is the same.

@Shak09

Pretty much.

If you had read properly, I had called W.Pakistan disgraceful for our conduct. Killing whoever does it is wrong. But so were Bengalis. Just like Taliban are filth for killing innocents, so were M.Bhani.

@Shak09

To expect a balanced view from you when it comes to Pakistan is asking too much, but who’s disputing what you’re saying? Unless you’re seeing things I haven’t argued the contrary with regards to who killed who more (ie what you posted) nor have I seen anyone doing so

So me saying BOTH countries should apologise and move on, BOTH countries should have strong relations is apparently somehow distorting history when infact I have admitted the disgraceful killings by our army on innocents.

Just like Taliban are scum and should apologise one day for their killings even though right now they aren’t state sponsored and their murdering dwarfs the USA’s, the same should be for Pak-Bang.

[queer]

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meh.. i guess you are right.

there shouldn't be any reason to block all channels of diplomacy over something that long ago, the woman is holding a whole region's prosperity hostage over her personal feelings.

[ehsan]

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@queer

who said anything about liberating or out of pure concern, or joining with bharat mata? why are you bringing all this up?

pakistanis like shak think mukti bahini were some terrorists who killed a lot of punjabis and bangalis are backstabbers. when this isn’t anything near what happened. and the biggest losers from not acknowledging what happened in 1970-71 is the state of pakistan which is on the verge of repeating the same exact thing - and being unable to delegate federality.

as for kashmir atrocities by indian army - despicable but pakistan doesn’t even fool kashmiris when it starts on this with no leg to stand on.

I was agreeing with you that they did not suddenly become pro india within 6 years, but if it hurts well that is the truth they refused to go back to big mama even after they liberated them.

As for Kashmir well this thread is not to discuss it, but as you brought it up I thought I should bring up the double standards practiced by india. If Pakistan does not fool Kashmiris than I wonder why india does not hold the referendum and shut up Pak once and for all, or is it afraid of something? I have met enough Kashmiris who live in occupied Kashmir and talked to them and know where they stand. Maybe you should do the same as well.

[TS]

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Acknowledgement? Lets see...wait for...it...four times.

Reading properly saves time.

I think Queer is talking about acknowledgement from Pakistani establishment.

[CEO1]

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You missed my update saying that if you haven't noticed, it is Balochistan that has been under water for the last 2 consecutive summers.

Maybe a one or two off. It's apart of Bangladesh.

Also, if Baluchistan does suffer flooding the affects are not as severe as B-land./

[Shak]

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I think Queer is talking about acknowledgement from Pakistani establishment.

He also mentioned how my views support that POV even though I said the opposite. I agree with his last post though.

[Shak]

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I was agreeing with you that they did not suddenly become pro india within 6 years, but if it hurts well that is the truth they refused to go back to big mama even after they liberated them.

As for Kashmir well this thread is not to discuss it, but as you brought it up I thought I should bring up the double standards practiced by india. If Pakistan does not fool Kashmiris than I wonder why india does not hold the referendum and shut up Pak once and for all, or is it afraid of something? I have met enough Kashmiris who live in occupied Kashmir and talked to them and know where they stand. Maybe you should do the same as well.

I agree.

Some Kashmiris may not want to leave, but it appears as a fact that a lot, a sizable amount of them don't like staying with India. I think it was a BBC Documentary I saw recently, pretty shocking.

[TS]

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I wanna see. If you remember, tell us.

[Xtron]

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^What documentary was it?.

As per topic. I do believe, when Bangladesh offers apology for massacres staged by Mukti bahini then..we will be able to sit down in one table. I agree with the notion that..relationship with Bangladesh can wait. Our priority should be taking controlling of internal security and create peace with our immediate neighbor like India. And talk to India on issue of Kashmir while maintaining trade and commerce relationship.

[Shak]

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The doc:

Kashmir’s Torture Trail - 4oD - Channel 4

And I agree Xtron. The day all S.A countries come to their sense we will see real progress

[Xtron]

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Well Shak thanks for the link. The issue is that no country want to talk about core issues. Like in the case of Bangladesh..i've met wonderful people from that country. But when sometimes..during convo..couple of them said, "Only if Pakistan can officially apologize". I said..well..Pakistan in my opinion should offer apology however, only and when..Bangladesh too also apologize officially on murders of thousands of Biharis and other Pro-Pakistani people from that region. Only then..we can sit together. They guy didn't have any answer. You see what i am saying is: we have to go to root cause of the issue. And i would like to bluntly say that..YES. Pakistan DID discriminate Bangladeshis when we were one country. Which includes, Economical and Political discrimination.

[Sachaydino]

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Hasina Wajid's demand is genuine and justified. Pakistan should officially appologise what West Pakistan army did in former East Pakistan.

As regard Mukti Bahninis atrocities against West Pakistanis, it was reaction to what West Pakistanis rulers were doing to Bengalis since partition. Mukti Bahinis were former East Pakistan Rifles. During army action in 1971, they changed from East Pakistan Rifles to Mukti Bahinis. Credit for this goes to dictators who treated Bengalis as schedule cast community.

[Xtron]

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^what about politicians like him?

[Shak]

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^ Ouch, sachay won't like that :D

[Sachaydino]

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@Xtron

^what about politicians like him?

JI culprits always oppose Bhutto, he wanted to recognize Bengladesh, but JI did not want it. These words are for JI. Don’t worry. However this is not related to current discussions. Pakistan army was responsible for genocide and rape of underage Bengali girls. Appology is due from all Pakis, do you get it.

[Xtron]

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^Well bla bla bla.>>Pakistan Army is responsible..that is all i can echo from your post. Be fair buddy. I do understand you support Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. And nevertheless, he has done some good work too. But please, don't support your favorite leader when he is calling Bangladeshis "pig". So what does that tell me that you want to blame Army. Which is very bias of you.

[Sachaydino]

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^Well bla bla bla.>>Pakistan Army is responsible..that is all i can echo from your post. Be fair buddy. I do understand you support Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. And nevertheless, he has done some good work too. But please, don't support your favorite leader when he is calling Bangladeshis "pig". So what does that tell me that you want to blame Army. Which is very bias of you.

Listen, the thread is about appology for committing genocide and rape of Bengalis. Pakis owe this appology, there is nothing wrong accepting faults.

As regard your above clip open another thread as this is realted to recognisition of Bengladesh as independent country.