Ahmadi-Thread

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I don't believe Imam Mahdi (as) has come yet. All the current events taking place around us are leading to a time when he will arrive. Among the missions of Imam Mahdi (as) is to unite all muslims under one banner, the banner of Islam, in following and practicing the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (bpuh).

Muslims are not united under one banner, there still is hatred among the ummah. Call it misunderstandings if you will.

In order for Imam Mahdi (as) to have come, there had to have been Isa (a.s) present, as well as the true Dajjal.

So unless all three are/have been present at once, Imam Mahdi has not arrived.

As far as i'm concerned anyone who feels proud to be muslim, is my muslim brother. I may not agree with everything he/she says, but i will not call him/her non-muslim because i am in no position to do that. That judgement is upto the Lord Almighty (swt).

meri namaz....
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Well Mirza is not Imam Mehdi becoz he is not Decedents of Imam Ali (AS) and he died before qayamat not Hazrat Esa AS came nor Peace come to the world (as in quran Allah promised) and finally he is not fullfilling the requirement of Sura Qadr Ayat #4 (apnay rab k amar ko lay kar farishtay utartay hain apnay rab k hukam say)(amar = kam) so it shows tht there should be some SAHIB-ul-AMAR and tht SAHIB UL AMAR is Imam Mehdi (A.F) indeed who is in ghayabat.

Thanks

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Madam, Keep your eyes open then talk about these Hadiths to us [muslims] understand? One of your VERY OWN Ahmadi brother said "we don't follow the Hadith with is contradicting to The Quran" this sums it up here! open up your eyes when you're pointing 1 finger towards us [muslims] all your 4 fingers are pointing your ownselves. You Qadiyaanis only "pick and choose" the ahadiths [Astaghfirullah] and the other thing which is even "worst" is that you say the things that your uncle Qadiyaan said were ALL CORRECT! Bughz-e-Nabi (SAW) to sab say ziaada tum hee logon mein bhara hua hay. Na-uzubillah! kehnay say pehlay sochna to chahiye [ab aap kahain gi aap nay kab kaha yeh? to zara NUMB sahab ki posts read kar lijiye aik dafa]
Huzoor (SAW) ko Aakhri Nabi aap loog maantay hee nahi hain, is he liye aap ka "Khatam-e-Nabooat" ka "so called concept" hee ghalat hay.. Jab Huzoor SAW per "khatm-e-nabooat" ki mohar lag gayee to kahan say tapkay yeh aap k Mirza Qadiyaan apnay aap ko PROPHET kehnay walay, baseless baatein saarii.. !!
2ndly, I agree. In order for Imam Mehdi (as) to have come, there had to have been Eesa (a.s) present, as well as the true Dajjal. Unless all three have been present at once, Imam Mehdi has not arrived.

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Mr. Teggy,

I'm not questioning your beliefs, because I have no right to do so, but I have one answer. What is Dajjal? A Monster? Has it ever happened that God sent such a creature into the world?

Didn't you people read too many Fantasy Books? What is meant by Dajjal? One is blinded and one eye can see, right?

When we transport this Idea to the current state of the world logically leaving Islam out of this context, haven't we turned blind? Do you actually know the State of Hindustan when the British Empire was ruling the Indian Sub-Continent? Have you ever read about that? Have you ever read what Muslims were doing?

People say the Ulema has done so much for the World, but why was then the first Mosque in Spain opened again so late after 700 years? Who opened it, the Ahmadiyya Muslims, who built the first Mosques in Europe? The Ahmadis without saying we are better than you or you.

Do you know about the *'Greatest Religion Conference' which took place more than 100 years ago? Whoms work was the greatest? Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's. He defended Islam like no one had done it since the demise of our Prophet (saw). The christians, jews, hindus were so shocked and the Muslims so overwhelmed. You know Maulvi Batalvi Hussain? He himself said that he defended Islam like one did it before. At this time he didn't make his claim, that he had been sent by Allah and is his Nabi. *

*As soon as he made this claim, Maulvi Hussain was the first one who attacked Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and spreaded lies about him in the World everyone is believing now. *

Your great Muslim Thinker Allama Iqbal was a Ahmadi whom you adore so much, praise so much, sadly Maulvion ke Baaton meyn aake, uski bhi Kashti doob gi. I wonder what would've happened if he stayed a Ahmadi.

sabi_13:

Who said we are not following the Hadith? I? Don't lie, YOU LIAR. **
**I only said to pysah, "You say the Hadith is weak, why mentioning it at all then?"

Our Rasool (saw) was Khatam-un-Nabiyeen before God created Adman (as)

Keep yourself out of this Thread if you can't use a normal language. You are not following our Prophet (saw) in any way. You call yourself Muslim and us Kafir? This is what our Muhammad (saw) also did, right?

When Islam was ruling, jews, christians and muslims were living all together and he let them practise their religion freely, but what will you understand. Go back to your Sunni or Shia School Of Thought wich stands above our Rasool (saw) (nauzobillah).

*I have lost my Registration-Data for my Internet-Connection. I ordered new ones, please 'pray' that I get them till Saturday, so I can finally give you the promised Article. *

Thank You :)

I want to ask men here
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Peace Numb

Dajjal will be a man. There will be a Dajjalic era, a dajjalic community and then the Dajjal himself.
Please read Ahmad Thompson's book.

Putting a masjid in spain does not in itself meet any prophecy of the actions of Mahdi nor of Isa (AS). It is good that you have put the first masjid in Spain no doubt after 500 years, but why do you think this is evidence for your authenticity? Besides it was done on the hands of the third KhalifatulMasih.

Why I mentioned the hadith

The hadith is mentioned because it is one of the pivotal hadith used by Ahmadis to support your claims of the authenticity of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I have no real use for it myself. However, it is nonetheless a hadith that I must respect and the adab for hadith are to mention them with narrators and commentary and then deal with their topic if the context is known to mention that too.

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And I didn't say that it should meet any prophecy when I said that the first Mosque was buit in Spain. It's just a fact and a question **WHO OPENED THE GATES FOR THE ISLAM? WHO EXPANDED? YOU, YOUR MULLAHS? HEHEHE...

**For the first time in my life I heard that Dajjal will be a man. Everyone said he'll be 6 m tall, fire will come out of his mouth. He will fly on a kota who will also split fire.

Why isn't anyone of you reading his books? How can you judge about a man when you don't know his books, what he did, what he said. Crazy People. If you are not reading our books why should I read the books you tell me to? What a contradiciton...
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I'd like everyone to tame their tongue till I have posted the Article. Thank You...
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Allama Iqbal was a Ahmadi...now ive heard everything!!!!

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He was, but then rejected to be...

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Numb im sure you would say that..considering you are Ahmadi.
OUR version of the story was that they (Allama and Mirza) (sorry i have no respect for neither of these chaps),....were friends..but then when Mirza Ghulam ahmad claimed Messiah and Prophet they parted ways!!!

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You even don't have respect for any human being, doesn't matter what he did except he killed, raped, betrayed somone? Forget the names, don't forget the deeds. It seems to me like you don't know anything about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and you don't want to.

I remind you once again It is a Duty for a Muslim to strive for knowlegde

Stonecold, I'm sure you would say that...considering you are the true Muslim.

This Thread is gettin' out of hands. If you want to discuss things with me, please be so kind and PM me. Thank You :)

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I wouldnt say true Muslim ..but i try and be better Muslim.

In any case to each his own. You have your beliefs and i have mine.

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Numb! My brotha!

No need to get all worked up. You're throwing a tantrum because others won't agree with what you're saying and you're practically just repeating the same thing you started with from post 1.

All i did was state the facts from ahadith that make mention of Imam Mahdi (as) and the conditions in which he will arrive. Those conditions have not been met yet.

You still haven't clarified whether Isa (as) has already come, married, lived for 40 years, and then died a natural death, because that's a part of when Imam Mahdi will arrive.

No one is scrutinizing your beliefs, and i'm sure you're very passionate about it. But getting emotional will not help any. Be factual.

Peace

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Peace Numb

I know you didn't say that the building of the mosque in spain is or is not prophetic rather you have argued your authenticity based on it. However, all you have done is shown that your people are organised and have goals to spread Islam, which is good. I can't knock that, but it does not prove the dogmatic position of Ahmadiyyat in any way !!! whatsoever .... remember that too ...

I want to read your books, some of the more contemporary ones okay, but first I want to see the works of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad for myself, please provide link or books. In English please. And I do read the books from Ahmadiyyah when I can get my hands on them. I have a book written by Mirza Tahir entitled Christianity from Facts to Fiction. I have a lot to say regarding that book anyway, but fundamentally it was not written by Mirza Ghulam Sahib himself, those are proving hard to find.

About Dajjal ... no there are clear hadith about him being born to a Jewess who will be big breasted and he will emerge from Khurasan. He will be totally blind in one eye and partially blind in the other. One eye will protrude like a grape.

The donkey reference is also easy to interpret. The mode of transport in those days for the Christians was the donkey, the reference to ears being 40 feet wide can easily be assimilated to aircraft. They to all extents and purposes jump from country to country as if there is a cloud pushed by a wind, or something like that.

Other definitions of Dajjal will be that he will be well built and have curly reddish hair. It is clear to us that he will be a human being who will be given extraordinary powers by Allah (SWT) as a fitnah for mankind verging our last moments on Earth.

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In order for Imam Mehdi (as) to have come, there had to have been Eesa (a.s) present, as well as the true Dajjal. Unless all three have been present at once, Imam Mehdi has not arrived.

@ Numb, We're using the normal language with you until now. understand! so you better not defend your Qadiyanism to us - why did you open this thread? to spread peace all over Pakistan? What a wonderful way, you started the thread with different thoughts and jumped up to the other "qadiyanism" only. You guys can do nothing but just debate on "you're not non-muslims" but actually You're. And you better close this thread if you can't hear the truth about your Mirza sahab.

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So you all lived 100 years ago and knew that this ‘Age’ was clean :snooty:

@sabi_13:

You want to tell me now that if I don’t stop you are going to use foul language? Provide me with a link where the Qur’an says that you are allowed to use foul language. Provide me a damn link which tells me that Muhammad (saw) used foul language against his enemies.

If you don’t like this thread go away, when our Prophet (saw) didn’t like something he went away. Simple as that.

Kitna Josh hai tum me. Kaash tere andaar itna Josh humare Rasool (saw) ke liye hota.

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1st you were asking me to use "normal language" now you're debating about "foul language" - You're so confused Mr. Numb.
Itna josh is he liye hay, k sach bolnay aur sunnay ki taaqat hay. Sirf bongiyan nahi maarni aap logon ki tarha! aap nay khud humaaray Ulema k baaray mein jo kuch is thread mein already keh diya hay woh sab kia tha? jo aap ko mirza sahab k baaray mein sun kar ab itni "irritation" ho rahi hay? hmm?

Aarzuain khoon hoon...
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baar baar humaari baaton ko "quote" kar kar k hans kaun raha hay?? You non-muslims! we weren't laughing at your posts in the beginning. We were all ears to hear the truth. But the thing is that you people don't have anything to talk about - stick to your very 1st post then. Weak ahadith bhi ho tab bhi woh Contradict nahi kar sakti Quraan Majeed say, aur aap nay "so called muslim" kitni aasaani say keh diya k humaaray mirza sahab ki koi baat contradict nahi karti.. what was that? Your love to the Prophet Muhammad Sallahu Alaihi Wasallam? right!

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If this thread is getting out of your control then you must stay away from it, or ask to close it rather than saying again and again to all muslims to "stay away from this thread" which makes no sense. You can't say whatever you want to our Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam and Ulemas - and we [Muslims] can't choose to be silent in that case. So, it's upto you to decide whether to stop saying such things or have the courage to hear the truth.

Timepass- May 2012
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Sir, you will be able to find some English translations of the Books of Promised Messiah (as) on Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website. Work is in progress and every few months a new book is being published in English on this website.

As for your interpretation of prophecies regarding the Dajjalic era.. I should bring to your attention the Tabeer of visions and dreams, a branch of knowledge much developed by Imam Jafar Sadiq (ra) and Imam Ibne Sireen (ar). Both took their inferences from Quran and the style and language of Quran and I believe that their works provide major clues to what the propehcies talk about.

Dajjal’s curly red hair become a sign of anger, wrath and physical power.
Blind right eye becomes spiritual blindness.
Swollen grape like left eye becomes materialistic nature. etc etc

And then you reach the conclusion that Dajjal is not a person, but a system.

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So, which Dajjalic system was abolished permanently by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani Saahab?