Ahmadi-Thread

Peace AQ

That is the question I asked when the explanation was given to me regarding the allegorical inference of the hadith in question describing Dajjal. The reply given to me was that Khilafatul Masih will continue until the world obtains peace. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmad will not be personally responsible for the things in hadith but his successor or his and so on.

Not only are various personalities turned into metaphor but also the direct achievements of Mahdi and Isa (AS) are explained away using gradualism.

They rationalise everything .... even miracles, which is an article of our faith that we must believe in their reality. If their interpretations are correct then we are in store for such an anticlimax ... it may take many years before the whole world becomes Ahmadi.

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Sucessors...will keep collecting the money in their pockets just like any other cult leader has.. and it goes on and on.... insha'Allah one day there will be such people like Malcolm X , Muhammad Ali..that will come out of Qadianism and expose the lies of Mirza.

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@zobia
who the hell are you to calling some one non-muslim??
are u a muslim?? are you fallow Hazrat Muhammad (saw) Ahadees and sunnat??
i am sure you are not...Muslim hona sirf ek thabba laga kar baith jana nahi hota...ek muslim ka farz hai ke wo Allah aur uske rasool ki baton pe Ammal kare ... sirf ye keh dena ke mai muslim hun aur falan nahi...ye bht bada Gunah hai..aise logon ko Allah aise girata hai,,ke unka nam-o-nishan nahi milta..
Gharoor aur Taqabbur napasandida qarrar diya gaya hai...
here i am sending u three ahadees...if you can´t understand than ,to apka Allah hi Hafiz hai...and if you understand this ahadees..to kam se kam apko apna muh band rakhna chahye.aur kissi ko kuch kehne se pehle apne gareeban me jhankna chahye..
and zara time mille to ye bhi sochyega ke in ahadees ka matlab kya hai.
ye maine pehle bhi post ki thin,but i think ap sirf apne matlab ki bat parhti hain...
let me tell one thing more...
Ek Wehshiya thi ,usne ek payase kutte ko pani pilane se jannat me jaga di gayi..than who the hell are you to calling other peaples. muslim or non muslim..
if you dont beleave on Qadianis..to ap is thread ko kyuun bar bar a kar parhti hain?? apne ghar baithen apne kam karain na ke wahan a kar nafrat ka izhar karain jahan apka koi kam nahi...
at least mere is mashware se apki faida hoga..ap kuch Gunahon se bach jayengi aur Allah talah ko apne ap se naraz hone ka moka nahi dengi ap..!

1)jabb madina me mardum shumari hone lagi to anhazrat Mohammad (SAWS) ne kaha ke usse muslim shumaar karo jo khud ko muslim kahe /bukhari,kitab ul jahad.baab kitabaul imamatun naas )

2)jo humari tarah namaz parhta hai,aur humare Qible ko apna Qibla kehta hai,aur humara hamara zabeeha khata ho wo ek musalman hai.Uski Hifazat Allah aur uske Rasool ki zimmedari hai,aur ap log apni zimmedari nibhana (bukhari,kitabus salat.baab fazl istaqbaal al qibla )

Hazrat Usama bin zaid (RA) ke Hath ne jab ek mukhalif qible se ek aadmi ko qatal kiya ,jabke wo lailaha illallah parh chuke tha.Jab Usama (RA) ne is bat ka zikar Anhazrat (saw) se kiya ,to Anhazrat (saw) bohat udaas hue,aur unhon is bat ki muzammar ki ke unhon ne ye qatal kyun kiya aur wo unse naraz hue,ke kya tumne uska Dil cheer ke dekha tha?(muslim, kitabul imaan, baab tehreem qatl al kafir bada an qala la ilaha illallah)

Prophets of Allah only come to sow the seed. It is their followers to accompish the final goal.

If you understand the reality of Dajjal, you will understand how it is being defeated.

Dajjal is the christian civilization. Its religious war was waged during the colonial era and Promised Messiah (as) provided a whole treasure of arguments against christian missionaries who were spreading their creed among the muslims. This will explain "breaking the cross" prophecy.

Right now, no progressive, intelligent human being can associate themselves with the Christian dogma and keep their prestige in the modern world. Why? Because christinaity has been thoroughly defeated. The remnants are fighting for their survival.

The other aspect of dajjal is ignorant clergy among muslims who have lead a vast majority of muslims astray, away from the spirit of Islam. Quran has spoken of their historic jewish counterparts as monkeys and pigs. And hadith also speaks that Promised Messiah (as) will "slay the swine". Many mullahs who opposed Promised Messiah (as) during his lifetime and afterwards persecuted his followers are being slain, humiliated, destroyed by Divine hand. This is another sign of the truthfulness of Promised Messiah (as).

Dajjal is also a materialist. Transforming its followers into atheists and material pursuits. Muslims non-muslims alike. Promised Messiah (as) started a community of followers who believe in a living God who still hears the prayers of Humanity, Who helps His servants. The Ahmadiyya community is a Jamaat, with a Khalifa, fuliflling yet another prophecy of khilafat ala minhaaj e nabuwwat. This Jamaat strives to sarifice life, wealth and honor for the sake of Islam. The concpiracy theorists go on and on about British, CIA, Israeli funding, but the truth is that all works charitable and religious carried out by us are funded by the members of the Jamaat. Each and everyone of us tries to sacrifice as much as we can.. Another reply to Dajjali fitnah..

The list goes on and on..

but you can :biggthumb Subhan'Allah

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**I think If I he had said what this guys claim I surely would’ve read that somewhere and don’t tell me I don’t know about our Imam Madhi (AS). I have read everything except Brahin-e-Ahmadiyya. **

Not in my wildest dreams I can imagine him saying that.

I can’t believe what kind of lies people develop in their minds to break this man and especially Allah.

This man is an ex-Ahmadi from UK.. I think he knows what he's talking about.

What happened to Mirza Ahmad Baig? Don’t you know? He died within 3 years my dear.
You even don’t know about the incident and post every Anti-Ahmadiyya crap wihout thinking about what you actually see and listen.

You are driven by your sane mind saying to you:

**ERASE AHMADIYYAT, ERASE AHMADIYYAT. ERASE AHMADIYAAT.

INSTEAD OF ANSWERING DESTINO, WHY DO YOU POST CRAP?
WHY DO YOU RUN AWAY FROM A DISCUSSION AND THROW IN
RIDICULOUS VIDEOS?

SHALL I THROW SOME MORE IN?
**

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**COULD YOU PLEASE TAME YOUR MIND NOW? I DIDN'T WANT TO POST THE TRUTH BEHIND THE MUHAMMADI BEGUM INCIDENT AS I SAW NO REASON, BUT NOW I HAVE TO.

WAIT TILL I HAVE TRANSLATED IT INTO ENGLISH.

THANK YOU.
**

One of the objections of the opponents of Ahmadiyyat is that the Founder of the Movement had made a prophecy that Muhammadi Begum, daughter of Mirza Ahmad Beg, would be married to him, but that the marriage did not take place and this prophecy was proved false.
The background of this prophecy was that some of the relatives of the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, were atheists and mocked at Islam. God Almighty designed to show them a sign so that those who might take advantage of it may be saved and those who might reject it may be punished. Their condition is depicted by him as follows:

  • God Almighty found my cousins and other relatives a prey to irreligious thinking and given to misconduct. They were held in the grip of their passions, denied the existence of God and were disorderly. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.566)

He states further:

  • It so happened that one evening a person came to me weeping and I became apprehensive and asked him whether he had received the news of the death of anyone. To this he replied in the negative and said that the matter was graver than that. He explained that he had been sitting with those people who have become apostates from the divine faith and one of them uttered vile abuse against the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, such as has not been heard even from the mouth of a disbeliever. He mentioned that these people dishonor the Holy Quran and utter things that one dare not repeat. They assert that there is no God and that the concept of God is an imposture. Having heard him I reminded him that I had already warned him against keeping company with such people. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam,p. 568)

The Promised Messiah, peace be on him, further states:

  • These people wrote a letter to me in which they reviled the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and denied the existence of God and demanded proofs of my truth and of the existence of God. They published this letter and supported the non-Muslims of India and exhibited extreme wickedness. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p. 568)

On their demanding a sign, the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, turned to prayer and supplicated earnestly for a Divine sign to be exhibited in respect of them. God Almighty responded to him and he received the revelation:

  • I have observed their misconduct and wickedness and I shall soon destroy them under heaven through different types of calamities and you will soon see how I shall deal with them. I have power to do all that I will, I shall make their women widows and their children orphans and shall ruin their homes so that they might be punished for their misdeeds. I shall not destroy them at one stroke but gradually so that they might *turn *back and repent. My curse will descend upon the walls of their homes, on their elders and their young ones, on their women and on their men and on their guests. All of them will be accursed except those who believe and cut asunder from them and keep away from their company. They will be under divine mercy. (*Ayenah Kamalat Islam, *p. 569)

About that time the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, was approached by one of these relatives of his to procure his consent on deed of gift, the details of which are set out by him as follows:

  • At that time Mirza Ahmad Beg, father of Muhammadi Begum, made up his mind to procure from his sister, whose husband had not been heard of for several years, a gift of her land in favor of his son. The husband of his sister was a cousin of ours and under the customary law she could not transfer her land without our consent as we were the collateral's of her husband. Mirza Ahmad Beg, therefore, turned to me and humbly and respectfully requested me to indicate my consent to the transfer proposed by him and I became inclined to put my signature to the deed of gift. But, as was my habit, I prayed for guidance, whereupon, I received a revelation to the following effect: 'Tell him to establish a relationship with you by giving his elder daughter in marriage to you and thus to obtain light from your light. Tell him that you would agree to the transfer of the land as he has requested and show him other favors in the event of this marriage taking place. Tell him that this would be a covenant between you and that if he accepts it he will find you the best acceptor on your side and that if he does not accept it and his daughter is married to someone else that marriage would not prove a blessing either for his daughter or for himself. Tell him that if he persists in carrying out any different design he will become subject to a series of misfortunes, the last of which would be his death within three years of the marriage of his daughter to someone else. Warn him that his death is near and will occur at a time when he does not expect it. The husband of his daughter will also die within two years and a half. This is a divine decree.' I told him that he could now proceed to do whatever he might wish and that I had warned him. (Ayenah Kamalat Islam, p.572)

This was the prophecy, which was conditional upon repentance. In fact every prophecy that warns of punishment is conditioned with repentance. That this was so in this case also is clear from the revelation that the Promised Messiah received on seeing Muhammadi Begum's maternal grandmother in a vision and in which he addressed her:

  • Woman, do thou repent. Repent, for misfortune is about to overtake thee and thy progeny and their progeny. A person wilt die but many critics will remain who will indulge in wild language. (*Announcement *of 10 July 1888)

The real purpose of the prophecy appears from the following statement of the Promised Messiah, peace be on him:

  • I had no need to request this relationship. God Almighty had fulfilled all my needs. He had bestowed children upon me and had promised that He would bestow upon me, within a short period, a son who would serve as a lamp for the faith and would be named Mahmud Ahmad. He would prove to be of high resolve in his endeavors. The request for this relationship is merely as a sign so that God Almighty might demonstrate His wonderful power to the dissidents of this family; so that if they accept, God might bestow signs of blessings and mercy upon them and might avert the misfortunes that are approaching and that if they reject it He might warn them through His wrathful signs. (*Announcement *of 15 July 1888)

It is clear, therefore, that the misfortune that threatened Muhammadi Begum's maternal grandmother and Muhammadi Begum herself could be averted by repentance, as is indicated by the opening words of the revelation: Repent, Repent.
So it happened that Muhammadi Begum's father gave her in marriage to another person and in accordance with the prophecy died within six months of the marriage and his death deeply affected the other members of the family. Muhammadi Begum's husband repented and turned to God and thus his death was averted. As the prophecy was conditioned with repentance and on his repenting, the death of Muhammadi Begum's husband was averted, her marriage to the Promised Messiah was canceled and did not take place.
It might be asked what is there to show that Muhammadi Begum's husband, Mirza Sultan Muhammad, had really repented and had turned to God. In reply to this the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, states:

  • The determination of this is quite easy. Ask Sultan Muhammad, the son-in-law of Ahmad Beg, that he should publish a denial. Thereafter, if he should not die within a period that God Almighty might specify, I would be proved false... Such death would be withheld from him till he becomes defiant. Thus if you are in a hurry then arise and make him announce his denial and then witness the power of God Almighty. (*Anjam Aatham, *p.32)

If, after this challenge Mirza Sultan Muhammad had exhibited any defiance or had, at the urging of others, announced his denial, his death within the period that might have been appointed would have been absolutely inescapable and Muhammadi Begum's marriage to the Promised Messiah would have taken place.
On the publication of the challenge of the Promised Messiah set out in Anjam Aatham,some Christians approached Mirza Sultan Muhammad and promised to pay him a large amount of money so that he might prosecute the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, in respect of his challenge. But they were unable to persuade him to take any such step, despite the tempting offer made to him.
In 1912 Mirza Sultan Muhammad wrote in a letter, a photostat of which has been published several times by the Ahmadiyya Community:

  • I have always held the late Mirza Sahib, and still hold him, as a righteous and respected person who was a servant of Islam, had a noble spirit and was constant in his remembrance of God. I entertain no opposition to his followers and regret that for certain reasons I was not able to have the honor of meeting him in his lifetime.

Hafiz Jamal Ahmad Sahib, a missionary of the Ahmadiyya Movement had, on one occasion, an interview with Mirza Sultan Muhammad, husband of Muhammadi Begum, which was published in the *AI-Fazal *of 9-13June 1921, in the lifetime of Mirza Sultan Muhammad. Hafiz Ahmad Sahib states as follows:

  • If you would not mind, I would like to ask you about the prophecy of Hazrat Mirza Sahib concerning his marriage. He replied: 'You can ask me freely'; and on my putting the question to him he stated: 'My father-in-law, Mirza Ahmad Beg Sahib, died in accordance with the prophecy, but God Almighty is Forgiving and Merciful and hears the supplications of His servants and has mercy on them.'

He was asked: 'Have you any comments on the prophecy of Mirza Sahib, or did it raise any doubts in your mind?' to which he replied:

  • 'The prophecy raised no doubts in my mind. I state on oath that the faith and belief that I have in Hazrat Sahib are, I conceive, stronger than that of those of you who have entered into a covenant of allegiance with him.'

Thus the turning back of Mirza Sultan Muhammad Sahib is clear and obvious. As the prophecy was conditional, its remaining portions were averted through repentance after the death of Mirza Ahmad Beg. These included Muhammadi Begum's marriage to the Promised Messiah after the death of Mirza Sultan Muhammad. As his death was deferred, the question of any other marriage did not arise. As the Promised Messiah has stated:

  • When these people fulfilled the condition and the son-in-law of Ahmad Beg became afraid and repented, the marriage was canceled or postponed. (*Tatimmah Haqeeqatul Wahi, *p.32)

He has stated further:

  • Everyone is aware of the events of the people of Jonah where there was no condition and yet the punishment decreed for them was averted by repentance and asking of forgiveness. In the present case there was the clear admonition: 'Repent, repent, for the calamity is on thy heels'; which meant that everything would be averted through repentance. They were put in fear and thus a part of the prophecy was averted. (*Badar, *13 *April *1908)

The effect of the prophecy was that God Almighty delivered a large number of the members of that family and brought them into the Ahmadiyya Movement and made them devoted Muslims. Out of a long list of those members of this family who have joined the Movement, we call attention to a statement made in a letter by Mirza Ishaq Beg, son of Muhammadi Begum, who, by God's grace, is a member of the Ahmadiyya Movement. He has said:

  • In accordance with this prophecy, my maternal grandfather, Mirza Ahmad Beg, died and the rest of the family was put in fear and became inclined towards reform, the irrefutable proof of which is that most of them joined the Ahmadiyya Movement in consequence of which God Almighty, being Forgiving and Merciful, changed His wrath into mercy. (Al-Fazal, 26 February 1923)

One objection that is raised in connection with this prophecy is that the Promised Messiah stated in Izalah Auham in 1891:

  • God Almighty will in any event bring Muhammadi Begum to me as a virgin or a widow and will remove all obstructions. He will certainly fulfill this and no one can obstruct Him. (*Izalah Auham, *p.296)

Then how is it possible that God Almighty did not remove the intervening obstructions and the marriage did not take place? The answer is that this statement was an interpretation of the prophecy, though it does not mention the condition to which the prophecy was subject. This condition was expressly laid down as has already been pointed out, If after his repentance Mirza Sultan Muhammad had rescinded from it then all intervening obstructions would have been removed. But, as in the event, Mirza Sultan Muhammad fulfilled the condition of repentance and adhered to it throughout, the remaining portions of the prophecy could not come into operation.

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Here is a paragraph from “The Essence of Islam: VOL 2”

The Essence of Islam: Volume Two

Bro, just read it from that site, open up “Devine Manifestation” pdf file, page 4-5, read what Mirza says: "…Then God has called Himself the Moon and named me the sun. This indicates that He will manifest His glorious light through me. He was hidden, but shall be manifested through me. He was hidden, but shall now be manifested through me. The world was unaware of His radiance, but now, through me, His awe-inspiring light will spread all over the world."

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Tadhkirah.pdf

Please read page no.571 on this pdf from “alislam.org”.

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I will after I have fixed my computer…1 hour left for sehri and I’m still awake :smack:

Computer bi kiya cheez hai…

Assalamu alaikum to all Sunni Muslims

Hello Numb, I did not personally see Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or his father-in-law, but all these facts are stated in your own books. Please for God sake pick up the book “Seeratul Mahdi” a biography of Mirza Qadiani by his son and the second khalifa of Ahmadis, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad. It was Mirza Mahmud who recorded all these facts. I already provided the witness testimony of Mirza Qadiani’s father-in-law in writing that he heard Mirza Qadiani say the last words “Mir sahib, I have developed epidemic cholera” before he died. Please refer to the book Hayat-e-Nasir, p.14 by Mir Nasir Nawab. He was at Lahore, next to Mirza on his deathbed when he heard Mirza say these things. Mir Nasir Nawab was a firm Ahmadi and a devoted friend of Mirza Qadiani, we are not making this up. These are his written testimony, if you want to accuse someone of being a liar, than accuse of the sahabi of your “Maseeh Mawood” of being a liar.

As for Mirza Qadiani drinking tonic wine and getting high off of opium, these are facts and I can provide reference for everything. Mirza Qadiani claimed to invent a new medicine which he called “Tiryaq-e-Illahi” and the main ingredient of this was opium. Also, Mirza was addicted to tonic wine, which is haram, and I produce the reference of a letter which Mirza wrote requesting his servant to purchase a bottle of tonic wine for him:

“My Beloved Hakeem Muhammad Hussein Saheb, Assalamo alaikum wa Rehmatullah wa Barakatohu. Presently I am sending Mian Yar Mohammad. Purchase yourself all the things that are to be purchased and buy one bottle of tonic wine from the Plommer Shop. But I want tonic wine, make a note of it. Rest is fine. Wassalam.” (signed) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (Letters of Imam towards Ghulam, p.5, Majmooa-e-Maktoobat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad towards Hakeem Muhammad Hussain Qureishi Saheb Qadiani, Owner of Rafeeq-us-Sehat Dispensary, Lahore)

Lo main ne sabit kia ke Mirza sahib sharabi tha, aab es baray main koi jawab hain Qadiani ke taraf sain? Mujko zaroor butayen.

May Allah grant immense prosperity to Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat and crush all false sects, movements, and religions which abuse the name of Islam (Ameen!)

computer nay bhi abhi kharab hona tha…bad timing or should I say great timing?:smiley:
Anyway, reference is there and you can see it clearly.

Astaghfirullah.

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"Then God has called Himself the Moon and named me the sun. This indicates that He will manifest His glorious light through me." (words of Mirza Qadiani)
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Auzubillah!!! If this is not kufr than there is no such thing as kufr. Look what else this Mirza wrote:

"I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)

Astaghfirullah, can this be a vision from Allah, or is this a vision from Shaytan? Obviously only Shaytan will give such visions that Mirza himself is God! And Mirza says he believes that he is God! Tauba astaghfar!!!