A Pakistani Girl

[5amra]

Re: A Pakistani Girl

jithay jaooo larayii

[Ethan_Hunt]

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@5amra

jithay jaooo larayii

ena sariya da kam hi chavi ghante eik doje naal larna hai

[Southie]

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No ladayi here. Only compelling MEMES.

[shaasavera]

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@Jolie

I’d love to provide you with general cross cultural critique of Feminism, and whiz through historical overview. It’s subject very close to my heart, but I’m afraid the issue might become too deep for this thread, and people who won’t get it, will get super confused, defensive and accuse me of all sorts of things. We will talk the particular need and the current state of Feminism in subcontinent some other day. For now, lets just condemn the injustice, and commend those who represents the positive.

Ok sure. I would look forward to that discussion as well as this is also an issue i’m passionate about. I’ve been on Indian and Pakistani online feminist groups so would love to hear your point of view. Sometimes I found the views there a bit limiting but i appreciated their desire and passion for change. Maybe one day in culture forum we can have this discussion? On a personal level if you are comfortable answering do you identify with the word feminist in the general sense of the word?

[Southie]

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Accuse - as in deliberate misinterpretation?

[Simply_Seema]

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This topic reminded of these 2 articles both on the extreme sides and is also representative of the majority of GS posters. It’s up to you to determine which group you belong to

Through a foreign lens: The Other Pakistan - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

To Be a Woman in Pakistan: Six Stories of Abuse, Shame, and Survival - Zara Jamal - The Atlantic

Things are not always so black and white.

[Ghost14]

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@Southie

The thread AND blog title is A Pakistani girl. It is more than a stretch to state she implied EVERY Pakistani girl by the use of A Pakistani girl. It would be sensationalism on someone’s part to state this.

LOL okay, let’s say this is not the case. What is the purpose of the blog?

[Southie]

y

@Ghost14

LOL okay, let’s say this is not the case. What is the purpose of the blog?

To share HER experience.

[Ghost14]

Re: y

@Southie

To share HER experience.

So all of this happened to the author? She was abused, bullied, suffers from depression, and has a dadi who hates her for being a girl? How do you know this?

[Southie]

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@Ghost14

So all of this happened to the author? She was abused, bullied, suffers from depression, and has a dadi who hates her for being a girl? How do you know this?

You are now being more sensational. Of course I was not there. But I don’t have a reason to think she is making it up. That’s the way it works. Folks pen down their experiences.

If you think she is simply making some parts up, that explains your posts. A pre - disposition to question someone’s experience. Not my cup of tea.

[Krypton]

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@SID_NY

Its one depressing blog which has a huge generalization. I know it does happen but thats not the only thing happening. Plus its getting changed now. I have four sisters and really dont think anyone was upset on their birth. Same applies to people I know.
I think we as a society have moved on and its not that extreme as its reflected in the blog.

maybe some sections of society have moved on a little bit

but your post is a “huge generalization”…

[Krypton]

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Here’s my take on the blog:

I think it’s a general blog on what “a pakistani girl” goes through. it doesn’t invalidate the blog…but I don’t think it’s the personal experience of just ONE person. that’s the vibe i got. and there’s a lot missing, for instance, what happened after school to when she got married.

[SID_NY]

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@philosophy

maybe some sections of society have moved on a little bit

but your post is a “huge generalization”…

I gave my opinion as per what OP has asked. Now before judging my post, you better read entire thread and my other posts too before start picking

[Ghost14]

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@Southie

You are now being more sensational. Of course I was not there. But I don’t have a reason to think she is making it up. That’s the way it works. Folks pen down their experiences.

If you think she is simply making some parts up, that explains your posts. A pre - disposition to question someone’s experience. Not my cup of tea.

Ironically, you are speculating about my intent.

Anyway, you don’t know her intent, or whether this actually happened to her, so my position that this could be a statement about Pakistani girls is valid, **because other people also mentioned something along the lines of “this is probably not representative of every Pakistani girl”. **

If this is her experience, then, as tragic as this is, it’s only the experience of one very unlucky girl. Most girls don’t have the luxury of naukars or schooling, so she is far from the average girl. Secondly, boys and girls all over the world suffer from bullying and abuse, although the number of unreported rapes is much higher in Pakistan. That said, a lot of those rapes happen in rural areas, far from this girl’s class and neighbourhood.

The only thing which is probably universal to every woman in this thread, albeit to varying degrees, is the double standards. But just like the trolls were putting forth hyperbole in calling this propaganda, so were the women who claimed that “men don’t understand” etc, when they only thing they (most likely) have in common with the author is the double standards. And it is also highly presumptuous to state that a brown, Muslim man wouldn’t understand what it feels like to be discriminated against in a Western country, post 9/11, especially if he (or she) happens to work in a field dominated by white men.

Anyway, my point is simply this: if this is not meant to be a statement about what Pakistani women go through, then it is just the very unfortunate experience of one girl. The trolls calling at propaganda are wrong, but so are the women who are jumping in to defend this piece as if it is representative of all women, double standards not withstanding as (I hope) we all agree do exist. Like Jolie said, the line is somewhere between “this doesn’t happen” and “see all that we women have to go through”. And I don’t just mean what’s written, but the underlying attitude which a lot of posts are laced with.

[Krypton]

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another sad thing: a lot of us have seen this stuff/gone through it maybe…but like accepting it or acknowledging it feels wrong. and those who do we question or mock them. because pakistani culture is the best.

I like Theorist is so open and honest about exactly how things were/are…a lot of know how to give explanations/excuses for these things

[Krypton]

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@Ghost14

Ironically, you are speculating about my intent.

Anyway, you don’t know her intent, or whether this actually happened to her, so my position that this could be a statement about Pakistani girls is valid, **because other people also mentioned something along the lines of “this is probably not representative of every Pakistani girl”. **

If this is her experience, then, as tragic as this is, it’s only the experience of one very unlucky girl. Most girls don’t have the luxury of naukars or schooling, so she is far from the average girl. Secondly, boys and girls all over the world suffer from bullying and abuse, although the number of unreported rapes is much higher in Pakistan. That said, a lot of those rapes happen in rural areas, far from this girl’s class and neighbourhood.

The only thing which is probably universal to every woman in this thread, albeit to varying degrees, is the double standards. But just like the trolls were putting forth hyperbole in calling this propaganda, so were the women who claimed that “men don’t understand” etc, when they only thing they (most likely) have in common with the author is the double standards. And it is also highly presumptuous to state that a brown, Muslim man wouldn’t understand what it feels like to be discriminated against in a Western country, post 9/11, especially if he (or she) happens to work in a field dominated by white men.

Anyway, my point is simply this: if this is not meant to be a statement about what Pakistani women go through, then it is just the very unfortunate experience of one girl. The trolls calling at propaganda are wrong, but so are the women who are jumping in to defend this piece as if it is representative of all women, double standards not withstanding as (I hope) we all agree do exist. Like Jolie said, the line is somewhere between “this doesn’t happen” and “see all that we women have to go through”. And I don’t just mean what’s written, but the underlying attitude which a lot of posts are laced with.

are you a girl? I don’t think so. then, shut up.

[Krypton]

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@Reha

I am telling you ladies…some people are not mentally mature enough to even grasp half of these things…so why bother?

TRUTH

[Ethan_Hunt]

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[Krypton]

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@Mezhgan

Oh dear

Why does every article about a negative event which happened to a Pakistani person or involves Pakistani people always become ALL Pakistani people or about Pakistani men in particular?

First and foremost:

• No, not every Pakistani girl experiences what the author of the blog experienced.
• No, it doesn’t happen in every family.
• Most men do not support such treatment of women.

However, it does happen to some women and it obviously happened to the author of the blog. She is telling HER story and discussing what HER experience was. She does not state that every single Pakistani girl experiences what she experienced. She is simply discussing what happened to HER. Why does that offend some of the posters on here? Seriously, what exactly are people arguing about?

hehe, so hard for people to grasp that jsut because their pakistani experience was so rich and wonderful and good…anyone else who thinks otherwise must be lying

Why can’t we accept different people go through different things?

[Ghost14]

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@philosophy

are you a girl? I don’t think so. then, shut up.

Thank you for proving my point. Having nothing of substance to say, we resort to personal attacks.