Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Fascinating analogy, I am speechless to even respond. Something simple dont deserve a response and your analogy is one of them.
As for being of military family, good for you. I am in US, you are in UK, so its irrelevent what we say therefore perhaps being truthful is better. The fact is not surrender, the fact is hiding truth from us while we were growing up and the consequences. The fact is Bengalies were our brothers and sisters, the facts that what our army did to them and we cant utter a single question to them. Actually being from military family you have higher responsibility than others. an institute running wild above law is curse for the country as we have seen. You have Nawaz Sharif, who brought Nawaz Shrif, you hate MQM who brought, You hate Taliban who created them ! Not holding them accountable is our fault. I am not going to be part of this Gunah. An Institution is Not God.
As for beneficiary of Nawaz League, say what you want, I would have done same for any elected Govt. I can see through games played by GHQ, if you cant I am sorry. There is nothing stooping too low here and if telling the truth is stooping too low than so be it ..
Your whole story reminds of Hitler's mentality. He was so taken back by Germany's surrender in 1918 that he couldn't find peace until he decided he will get rid of every single Jew living in Germany who he thought responsible for surrendering. Thank God the whole of Europe is out of that BS mentality. Germany would not have become an economic powerhouse if bunch of fascists were still crying over the 1918 'surrender'. Sheet happened, big deal.
It is one thing to say Army must not take over, but the way you are abusing Pak Fauj like the filth you find under Youtube comments by Indians and Afghans. It makes you look more like a beneficiary of Nawas League than a member of three generation military family. I also belong to a Military family, and no respectable Military kid stoops so low to vehemently abuse the Army especially if they have seen the hard work and sacrifices their parents had made. Political and ideological differences can still be there.
So you want to make 6 lane road in the middle of no where when you can make a 2 lane road now that is expandable if needed. Interstate system, equivalent of Motorways are mostly two lane all across Americ and changes to 3,4,5,6,8 where its needed. When you have limited amount, will you make whats needed now or what "may be" needed later. Fate of Baluchistan today is mostly because of the ones that are driving. Baluchistan is getting better because of the ones who are sitting next as elected ones and the ones who have the mainstream baluch leaders with him. You respect or not, its irrelevent. The power of Vote is bigger than all of us and thats why I love power of Vote because it makes individuals irrelevent.
People will still share sweets if RS kick out your PM. The vote power you are proud of wont come to save your PM. Instead same voters will be busy in sharing sweets, you know it very well.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Of course, Bengalis were our brothers and sisters, so much precious blood had been lost. Yet we still have idiots in the country who don't believe in the dangers of electoral fraud and the economic inequalities that runs along the lines of ethnic and regional divides. Yes Drunkard Yahya Khan should have had the guts to control democratic devil that was Bhutto and give Mujib what he was asking for. Yes some people will have to let go of their obsession of 1971 surrender if they really want to study proper history.
There is difference between telling the truth and abusing the Army under the pretext of belonging to the military family. The latter is not a license to abuse Pak Fauj.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
I am a free soul and I dont need licesnse to abuse anyone neither Pak Fauj is above any one else that they cant be abused. If they can call Bloody Civilians they can be called Bloody losers. The other day a General in front of US congressional hearing was getting abused like nothing, a beautiful picture of civilian rule. If others choose to duck head in sand doesn't mean I should go against my consience. 1971 is just one example, an easy example. There is a whole book on Pak Army evils, Military Inc. read it. The other examples of some generals and failure of other generals to stop them is shameless. Some one gotta stand up and speak.
People will still share sweets if RS kick out your PM. The vote power you are proud of wont come to save your PM. Instead same voters will be busy in sharing sweets, you know it very well.
Some idiots will but some others will pick up guns and get back on the mountains, the World will not simply sit rather demand army to give up things, actually will make RS do things that otherwise electd govts cant be asked. West would love to have RS throw govt so he can be made to do what they want. Thats how things work. times have changes so not every one will distribute sweets and the ones that will distribute their beloved army getting spanked again like in Salala / Abbottabad. RS knows exactly his worth or his army's worht, its not that RS/Army dont want to overthrow, Fact is that they CANT, the price that they will need to pay will be steep. God has its way of controlling those who are above law, army is perfect example. They should just try to do what they get paid to do and perhaps can have a victory in a war for change.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
I am a free soul and I dont need licesnse to abuse anyone neither Pak Fauj is above any one else that they cant be abused. If they can call Bloody Civilians they can be called Bloody losers. The other day a General in front of US congressional hearing was getting abused like nothing, a beautiful picture of civilian rule. If others choose to duck head in sand doesn't mean I should go against my consience. 1971 is just one example, an easy example. There is a whole book on Pak Army evils, Military Inc. read it. The other examples of some generals and failure of other generals to stop them is shameless. Some one gotta stand up and speak.
The general getting abused in congressional hearing because the ones elected consider themselves as servants of the electorate not behave like owners and arrogant looters the ones like we have in our parliament. That is the difference. When you can murder 14 people in model town and sweep it under the carpet than these evil civilians are bloody and should be held to account. In your hatred of army dont forget the bloody corrupt and looters known as our rulers.
People will still share sweets if RS kick out your PM. The vote power you are proud of wont come to save your PM. Instead same voters will be busy in sharing sweets, you know it very well.
Military better not think about 'kicking out' elected governments anymore.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Telling the truth isn't hatred! Your opinion of some one being looter is just that opinion but regardless, Political leaders if they loot ot whatever still have to go back to people and people in turn have recourse to take them out for good, see PPP example. Generals on the other hands or bloody loosers for that matter come with guns in their hands and no one has recourse on these hence their corruption go unnoticed or worse yet with out accountability. The corruption by politicians is no more than corruption of generals yet politicians are easy target. So in your HATE for politicians dont forget the bloody loosers and looters known as our finest who have lost every damn WAR, their core business.
The general getting abused in congressional hearing because the ones elected consider themselves as servants of the electorate not behave like owners and arrogant looters the ones like we have in our parliament. That is the difference. When you can murder 14 people in model town and sweep it under the carpet than these evil civilians are bloody and should be held to account. In your hatred of army dont forget the bloody corrupt and looters known as our rulers.
You can not get tail of dog straighten up! Military is always thinking about removing Govts but times have changed and after Abbottabad incident, the entire world knows what kind of Snake our military is and in a way thats how God control the ones who think they are uncontrollable. Its not that they are thinking about removing govt, its that they CANT any more or the Danda from West will be so severe. In the end the council of evil in Pakistan, the core commander group may be thinking whatever but Army has enough good officers now who understand what will happen if they take over Govt again. Forget nukes and forget CPEC. They will have to do what DC will tell them and there will be no If then but about it and there will be no Politicians to blame. It was good 67 year run for these utter loosers but almighty has his way to put these people in their place. Army now needs politicians to blame their Failures and Failures and politicians are mostly short sighted to be used like toilet paper. Both are corrupt and a match made in haven.
Military better not think about 'kicking out' elected governments anymore.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
There are actually idiots who think electrol faud happened when nothing happened and in a process are disrespecting peoples choice and getting Zaleel by election after by election when those idiots and losers should help Govt in fixing electral system instead of making phony claims like a POS went on for months about 35 punctures and got punctured himself.
Of course, Bengalis were our brothers and sisters, so much precious blood had been lost. Yet we still have idiots in the country who don't believe in the dangers of electoral fraud and the economic inequalities that runs along the lines of ethnic and regional divides. Yes Drunkard Yahya Khan should have had the guts to control democratic devil that was Bhutto and give Mujib what he was asking for. Yes some people will have to let go of their obsession of 1971 surrender if they really want to study proper history.
There is difference between telling the truth and abusing the Army under the pretext of belonging to the military family. The latter is not a license to abuse Pak Fauj.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Telling the truth isn't hatred! Your opinion of some one being looter is just that opinion but regardless, Political leaders if they loot ot whatever still have to go back to people and people in turn have recourse to take them out for good, see PPP example. Generals on the other hands or bloody loosers for that matter come with guns in their hands and no one has recourse on these hence their corruption go unnoticed or worse yet with out accountability. The corruption by politicians is no more than corruption of generals yet politicians are easy target. So in your HATE for politicians dont forget the bloody loosers and looters known as our finest who have lost every damn WAR, their core business.
I see how conveniently you ignored the massacre in model town by the nincompoops you love. Of course I hate the corrupt losers in both PPP and PMLN because they had ample chances to keep the army away from taking over but their incompetence and greed is what brings the army back. Lets not forget who were the architect of the looter and corrupt Nawaz. Does Zia and Gul Hameed ring a bell. If not try googling it.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Yes and the likes of Zia and Gul are the ones had they stopped we were not at this place. I dont love any one but since Nawaz has now Vote, I will stand with him vs. any general. Instead of being lame and telling me to google something, perhaps pay attention to what I am saying and try to make sense of it.
Yes lets talk abot massacare of 14. Any clue about law ? Why did they attack police, why did they commit violence, where is the Canadian sick mullah who instigated the violence. Law looks things differently my friend. Yes there was massacre but the one who committed it left country and now living in canada
I see how conveniently you ignored the massacre in model town by the nincompoops you love. Of course I hate the corrupt losers in both PPP and PMLN because they had ample chances to keep the army away from taking over but their incompetence and greed is what brings the army back. Lets not forget who were the architect of the looter and corrupt Nawaz. Does Zia and Gul Hameed ring a bell. If not try googling it.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
And as for looter ( i think NS is looter just like other politicians and all generals) but its getting old! I think either people need to prove it in court or Shut up for good and look at future. I think this BS has gone too long. For what its worth there is no evidence, cases are old, distorted. So only thing that can be done is to make system strong for future and instead of calling an elected leader looter, get on with the fact that Guy Won and Won HUGE and mostly probably will win again. Its a process that started in 2008 thanks to constanst meddling of corrupt generals. We need to live with it. You can continue to call NS looter but that doesnt change a thing.
I see how conveniently you ignored the massacre in model town by the nincompoops you love. Of course I hate the corrupt losers in both PPP and PMLN because they had ample chances to keep the army away from taking over but their incompetence and greed is what brings the army back. Lets not forget who were the architect of the looter and corrupt Nawaz. Does Zia and Gul Hameed ring a bell. If not try googling it.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Yes and the likes of Zia and Gul are the ones had they stopped we were not at this place. I dont love any one but since Nawaz has now Vote, I will stand with him vs. any general. Instead of being lame and telling me to google something, perhaps pay attention to what I am saying and try to make sense of it.
Yes lets talk abot massacare of 14. Any clue about law ? Why did they attack police, why did they commit violence, where is the Canadian sick mullah who instigated the violence. Law looks things differently my friend. Yes there was massacre but the one who committed it left country and now living in canada
So now we are blaming the people who got killed and not the ones who ordered the killing. Typical PMLN justification. Says it all. No need to argue anymore with you.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
And as for looter ( i think NS is looter just like other politicians and all generals) but its getting old! I think either people need to prove it in court or Shut up for good and look at future. I think this BS has gone too long. For what its worth there is no evidence, cases are old, distorted. So only thing that can be done is to make system strong for future and instead of calling an elected leader looter, get on with the fact that Guy Won and Won HUGE and mostly probably will win again. Its a process that started in 2008 thanks to constanst meddling of corrupt generals. We need to live with it. You can continue to call NS looter but that doesnt change a thing.
You can keep justifying his looting but will not be able to fool people. Carry one your worship of these corrupt looters. Great job.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
I am worshipping the power of Vote and choice of Vote and I am standing up to some Generals that think in a closed room have more right to decide vs People. Tahts all! If people decide wrong they suffer but can change their decisions in next go around. What doesnt change are those who are blind on Power and Can over run People's choice.
For who died, I feel sick but since when dying become a letter of innocense. Go check what happened in Ferguson, Mo. Why did a cop shoot a person and than walked away free because he Dead attacked Cop or that is alleged. Cant attack LAW PERIOD, Cant incite Violence. The people died because they Blindly followed an a$$ hole living in Canada, who was barking on behalf of generals. Prove it in Court with evidence that there was direct order to Kill. I know enough law here that this incident could have been avoided if a Zaleel Sick Mullah was not barking on behalf of Sick people trying to get extenstions.
You can keep justifying his looting but will not be able to fool people. Carry one your worship of these corrupt looters. Great job.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Chaudry it's not the Pakistani military that ordered police and rangers to open fire on Qadri's supporters and abuse the female supporters during IK's and Qadris's protests and it was not the military that opened fire on PIA protestors recently. That's how "democratically" elected sharif brothers operate. They are a mafia. So is PPP. So is BLA.
If the army has to swoop in to control them then maybe these groups need to get their crap together and stop the ethnic discrimination, selective development of parts of the county or in the case of BLA outright treasonous behavior with their Chiefs sitting in Europe making plans for India to separate Baluchistan. I don't blame the military for getting involved when the biggest threats are your own politicians and feudal chiefs who would rather make deals to sell off Pakistan to India or Afghanistan. The military isn't the one making secret deals with India to destroy its own territory.
Now yes, there needs to be checks and incompetent generals and military leaders need to get sacked. If you're drunk on the job, you need to be pulled off. No question about that. But that doesn't mean you insult the entire group. Most military officers are probably the most disciplined and hardest workers in the country. They're not getting out of bed and starting their shops at 11 am, nor are they fleeing to America like you did. You want Pakistan to change? Great. Then start by moving back and doing something. Quit complaining while sitting in America.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Justice system is a joke in Pakistan. Murderers with blood on their hands roam free, here. Nawaz ganja was elected - does not make him a saint. Just makes the people who support him stupid, illiterate - jahil and ganwar. Given where the nation stands internationally - I would say that is spot on. We cant have a cricket match in Islamabad for gods sake.
Having said that, military leadership is also corrupt to the core. So this is a useless debate. They also are blood suckers who have looted the nation. The Fauji foundation, the plots for generals, colonels - happens in our nation under our noses. That is people's money going to these haraam khors on top. No one is saying all of the forces are bad. I am sure there are millions serving for the country and eating halaal.
So, then the question is why do we have to support one of these haraam khors? Why settle for lesser than evil? Why not call spade a spade and demand first insaaf (key to fixing this mess). The rest of the story will start from there. Give Imran Khan a chance.
I am worshipping the power of Vote and choice of Vote and I am standing up to some Generals that think in a closed room have more right to decide vs People. Tahts all! If people decide wrong they suffer but can change their decisions in next go around. What doesnt change are those who are blind on Power and Can over run People's choice.
For who died, I feel sick but since when dying become a letter of innocense. Go check what happened in Ferguson, Mo. Why did a cop shoot a person and than walked away free because he Dead attacked Cop or that is alleged. Cant attack LAW PERIOD, Cant incite Violence. The people died because they Blindly followed an a$$ hole living in Canada, who was barking on behalf of generals. Prove it in Court with evidence that there was direct order to Kill. I know enough law here that this incident could have been avoided if a Zaleel Sick Mullah was not barking on behalf of Sick people trying to get extenstions.
Re: A good day in pakistan. COAS took PM on a ride
Look Imran is no saint either and as much haram khor as others if you ask me! but yes I agree we should give chance to new people but for what its worth 2013 elections were won by Nawaz Sharif and its his right to rule and its responsibility for nation to support a collective decision. Imran didnt win period so time to move on. The shame is that not that Imran didnt win but he killed any chances for future by exposing himself as an arrogant, lunatic loser who simply couldnt accept defeat. Almost pushed Pakistan to Arab Spring type situation by doing a dharna at a time when war for survival started all based on LIES, white lies... This is height or being a lunatic. I will take a haram khor any day over a lunatic.
Further, what is Imran and who is imran now? all the good people with him are gone or leaving. The people who stood by him are no longer, instead the losers of PPP are in PTI. The haram khors like tareen, Shah mahmood, and many other failures are what makes PTI now. Again, 2013 is over and next election must happen only in 2018, the process needs to move and I am sure people collectively will grow. They rejected PPP, and they may reject PMLN. My point is that only People make that choices and not the gang of 14 core commanders. They have already messed up country enough.
Justice system is a joke in Pakistan. Murderers with blood on their hands roam free, here. Nawaz ganja was elected - does not make him a saint. Just makes the people who support him stupid, illiterate - jahil and ganwar. Given where the nation stands internationally - I would say that is spot on. We cant have a cricket match in Islamabad for gods sake.
Having said that, military leadership is also corrupt to the core. So this is a useless debate. They also are blood suckers who have looted the nation. The Fauji foundation, the plots for generals, colonels - happens in our nation under our noses. That is people's money going to these haraam khors on top. No one is saying all of the forces are bad. I am sure there are millions serving for the country and eating halaal.
So, then the question is why do we have to support one of these haraam khors? Why settle for lesser than evil? Why not call spade a spade and demand first insaaf (key to fixing this mess). The rest of the story will start from there. Give Imran Khan a chance.